All About Eve - The Original Psychological Chess Match
This week, Marc, Darren and Paul crack open All About Eve, the legendary Hollywood drama built around fame, ambition and the fear of being replaced.
Not seen it?
We’ll help you decide if this dialogue-driven classic is your kind of movie — completely spoiler free.
Seen it?
We reveal things you may have missed, the details you didn't notice and explore the themes and moments that keep audiences talking decades later.
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🎬 All About Eve (1950)
PART 1 – The Nutshell – If you haven’t seen it
A spoiler-free breakdown designed to help you decide if this classic Hollywood drama is your kind of film and worth your time.
We explore a world of theatre, fame and ambition where admiration slowly becomes rivalry and every conversation hides something beneath the surface.
We’ll help you quickly understand the tone, style and experience of the film, from its layered dialogue and character dynamics to the tension quietly building behind the glamour.
By the end of Part 1, you will have made a decision!
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PART 2 – The Unboxing – If you’ve seen it
What Did You Miss?
Reveal things you may have missed, hidden layers, the sublime and the ridiculous.
The lads uncover details hidden beneath the performances, moments loaded with meaning and ideas woven throughout the film that are easy to overlook on first viewing.
There’s discussion around ambition, image, performance, power and the shifting relationships between the characters.
Plus, a look at the film’s wider legacy, the influence it had on storytelling that followed and why it continues to spark discussion all these years later.
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Paul’s Facts of the Day
Behind-the-scenes insights including:
Surprising casting stories and alternate possibilities
The real-life inspirations behind the film
Hidden production details and Hollywood tensions
The film’s awards legacy and cultural impact
Fascinating “what if?” moments that could have changed everything
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Marc, Darren & Paul submit their scores and All About Eve takes its place in the Legend League.
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PART 3 – Listener Lounge – All about you!
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Your emails, questions, comments and stories.
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Everyone wants a YouTube channel now.
Speaker A:Every wants a podcast.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker B:I tell you what, I'm sick of these movie podcasts.
Speaker C:Guys sitting around tables just talking shite about movies, talking about ramblings.
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Speaker B:I know.
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Speaker A:I'm sure you've heard this before, but that's too long.
Speaker B:That's what she said.
Speaker A:Foreign.
Speaker C:Hello and welcome to Movies in a Nutshell with me, Mark Farquhar, myself, Darren.
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Speaker C:Here's why you should tune in every week.
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Speaker C:Plus there's movie facts, trivia and behind the scenes stories.
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Speaker C:So grab some popcorn and let's crack open this week's movie.
Speaker C:Okay, here we are.
Speaker C: All about Eve,: Speaker C:Not the oldest movie we've done.
Speaker C:1940 Was he's go Friday.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:Good reference.
Speaker B:But we're still back in time.
Speaker B:This is good, mixing it up.
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker C:What's the maths?
Speaker C:How long ago is this?
Speaker C:2080.
Speaker A:76.
Speaker C:76 Years ago.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:So this is the nutshell, part one, where we break the movie down, spoiler free.
Speaker C:To help you decide if All About Eve is your kind of movie and if it's worth your time.
Speaker C:So in a nutshell, how are we going to break this down?
Speaker C:How would you describe this for someone who hasn't seen it?
Speaker A:This is about theater folk.
Speaker A:You know, those very theatrical.
Speaker A:Not musical theater, but people who are very, very into theater.
Speaker B:Theater, yeah, that's.
Speaker B:Yeah, the theater scene, darling.
Speaker A:And it's about what it means to be a star of the stage.
Speaker A:And it means.
Speaker A:And it's about envy and adoration.
Speaker C:Infatuation.
Speaker A:Infatuation as well.
Speaker B:Word, fame.
Speaker A:What you're willing to do to have that fame.
Speaker A:And also, it's also about getting older and particularly being a woman who's getting.
Speaker C:Older and being replaced.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:I describe this as a psychological chess match.
Speaker B:Oh, that's good.
Speaker C:I like it down to.
Speaker C:It's sharp, dialogue driven.
Speaker C:It's, it's, it's of the time.
Speaker C:Like those movies back in the day are much more about the dialogue.
Speaker C:There wasn't much action, there wasn't much anything around it.
Speaker B:Which we found with his Girl Friday, didn't we?
Speaker B:It was Very much about the cadence and the, the timing.
Speaker A:And you did have action films you make.
Speaker A:We watched Vikings, didn't we?
Speaker A:That cool battles.
Speaker A:But yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker A:I think the training must have been different because their annunctuation is so much better.
Speaker C:Oh, perfect.
Speaker C:Almost enunciation.
Speaker B:Say that again.
Speaker A:Enunciation.
Speaker A:Oh, yes.
Speaker A:It's like Gilmore Girls or something.
Speaker A:You know, they can speak really, really fast, but it's almost like Eminem, that you can hear every single word that they're saying.
Speaker C:Doesn't matter how fast, but they're still clear.
Speaker C:I've written down.
Speaker C:This is about an aging star at the height of her career and the young outsider who quietly works her way into her life.
Speaker A:She's at the kind of sunset of her career.
Speaker A:She's just like.
Speaker A:So she's starting to be twitchy.
Speaker C:She's still got the recognition.
Speaker C:Everyone knows she's a star, but she's just on the way, on the decline.
Speaker B:Because she's still in a play that's very well received and everything, isn't she?
Speaker A:And over the hill in Hollywood times is, I believe she's 41 in this.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:And she's in a play within the film where she's playing a 25 year older.
Speaker C:And we've seen it in modern versions of this movie where, like, what starts out as admiration slowly becomes something else.
Speaker C:And that's where the twist is.
Speaker C:That's where the movie heads.
Speaker C:You think it's just someone who's appreciating someone, but it turns into more than that.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's definitely twists and we haven't mentioned it.
Speaker B:It's Betty Davis says Betty Davis is.
Speaker A:Interesting because she's a queen, obviously.
Speaker A:She's an icon.
Speaker A:She's amazing.
Speaker A:But I can barely name you any movies that she's been at.
Speaker C:Same same.
Speaker A:And even the ones you would name.
Speaker A:I'm probably going to be like, yeah, I haven't seen them.
Speaker C:Can you, Paul.
Speaker C:Name some Paul Go, no, I haven't.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:I'm very aware of her and I've seen many clips over the years, but film wise, I'm like, so why are.
Speaker A:You aware of her?
Speaker A:Why are we aware of her?
Speaker A:Like, what is that?
Speaker B:So she was obviously an icon.
Speaker C:I think it's more about.
Speaker C:She was famous more than of movies.
Speaker C:But like Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker A:Yeah, but I've seen a lot of Marilyn Monroe movies.
Speaker C:I haven't.
Speaker C:I haven't seen a single Marilyn Monroe movie, but I know exactly who she is.
Speaker A:The big one with Bette Davis is what's it called Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?
Speaker A:Which I have not seen.
Speaker C:I have no.
Speaker C:Of that movie.
Speaker C:I've not seen it.
Speaker B:The colleague in this is Anne Baxter.
Speaker B:So she's sort of the up and coming star.
Speaker B:And I think that reflects what it was like actually in Hollywood at that point where Bette Davis was the reigning star and was kind of a newcomer.
Speaker B:So you've got that parallel, I suppose.
Speaker A:There's tons of great actors who you probably wouldn't know, but everyone was pretty much top of the game.
Speaker A:Obviously there's Bette Davis, there's Anne Baxter, but George Sanders was very well known.
Speaker A:Although I'm sure I tried to research this.
Speaker A:I'm sure he's the voice of like the lion.
Speaker A:He's in.
Speaker A:I'm sure his voice is in the Adventures of Robin Hood.
Speaker B:No, it wasn't King John because that was another famous actor who talked like this.
Speaker B:Hiss.
Speaker B:You've his last hiss.
Speaker B:No, that, that was okay.
Speaker B:And his name's gone up my head.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:He's got a great voice.
Speaker A:Celeste Holm, I think was also.
Speaker A:She plays Karen Richards.
Speaker A:She was also pretty famous.
Speaker A:All very well respected, like big hitters.
Speaker A:Even Thelma Ritter, who plays Birdie.
Speaker A:I think she had an Oscar at this point or something.
Speaker B:So sterling cast for the time then.
Speaker A:Well, you know, they're from the stage.
Speaker A:I actually.
Speaker A:I don't know that.
Speaker A:Are these ex stage actors, do you think?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:Quite possibly.
Speaker B:They seem theatrically trained.
Speaker B:But I suppose that's the role in this movie, isn't it?
Speaker B:Because they're all theatrical darlings.
Speaker A:Like when we send Alan Rickman over, you know, he's a stage actor, so he just kicks everyone's ass.
Speaker C:But I would imagine back in the day the natural route would be from theater to movies anyway.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So all the actors would have had that kind of background anyway, so it wouldn't be such a stretch for them.
Speaker A:To play their trainer.
Speaker A:Would have been, wouldn't it?
Speaker A:Because, yeah, video films wouldn't have been around.
Speaker C:What kind of watch is this, Darren?
Speaker A:I think this is a great.
Speaker A:A great date movie.
Speaker A:Or it's a.
Speaker C:If you've got two hours and 20.
Speaker A:Minutes, it doesn't have to be like a new date.
Speaker A:But I think that it's a great one to watch with your partner.
Speaker A:I think it's a great one to watch with mix of men and women as well.
Speaker A:There's a nice commentary on gender roles.
Speaker A:You know, I grew up quite feminist because of Linda Hamilton and Ripley and, you know, so.
Speaker A:And Princess Leia.
Speaker A:Later on, General Leia.
Speaker A:And then it's Bette Davis as well.
Speaker A:Just venom tongued and smart and just quick fire.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We often think about, oh, aren't things getting better with representation?
Speaker A:And then every time I. I say that or hear someone say it, I'm like, there has been good representation in the past.
Speaker A:Like, none of these women, I think, are overtly sexualized.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker A:I think they're all three dimensional characters.
Speaker A:They're all individual, separate.
Speaker C:I actually think it started off strong and it went off course later and now we're only sort of steering it back on course and being aware of it and talking about it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker A:So I think it would be fun to watch with like a girlfriend or.
Speaker C:Wife or fiance, because certainly the male gaze wasn't, wasn't.
Speaker C:It wasn't a thing back then.
Speaker A:I mean, there would be elements of it, but it was a woman called Laura Mulvey in the 70s, I think, who wrote Visual Pleasure for Narrative Cinema.
Speaker A:And she was like, you know, the camera is male because everyone touching the camera's male and the director's male.
Speaker A:And yeah, that was her.
Speaker A:I think it's Joe Mankiewicz.
Speaker A:He isn't a director that I really knew of until watching this and then just checking who he was, because I saw like Bette Davis in a later life talking about working on this movie.
Speaker A:Some of the other women did as well.
Speaker A:And someone was saying, oh, is there a lot of cattiness?
Speaker A:I get the impression that the press were trying to create a storm because Bette Davis had a formidable reputation when she went on to set.
Speaker B:A bit of a perfectionist from what I was learning from some of the.
Speaker A:And I think I'm not sure who it was, if it was Celeste or Anne Baxter.
Speaker A:I said, cattiness.
Speaker A:No way do you think that Joe Mankiewicz would have allowed that on his set.
Speaker A:And I was like.
Speaker A:And it turns out that he did movies like a letter to 3W Lives.
Speaker A:I think he's a writer.
Speaker C:Well, about women usually.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think he's probably met a woman at some point.
Speaker A:Unlike.
Speaker A:It feels like many other writers of movies today.
Speaker C:Not just women.
Speaker C:Formidable women.
Speaker A:Yes, formidable women.
Speaker A:And I think he.
Speaker A:He writes in brilliant.
Speaker C:They're worth writing about.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So maybe because of that wasn't reflecting of society at the time, so he thought he should highlight that.
Speaker C:Like if you wouldn't get high powered women in jobs, but women in high power jobs back then.
Speaker C:No, but to put them on the screen in that ways, it's good.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's phenomenal.
Speaker B:You're probably going to ask me what this compares to, aren't you?
Speaker C:What moves does it compare to, Paul?
Speaker B:So because I haven't seen that many of this era, I think most of.
Speaker C:The movies it'll be like what's come after it that could be compared to this is.
Speaker C:This is probably obviously one of the first.
Speaker B:That's why I'm going to throw it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then I don't think you've seen this one.
Speaker B:You will have done Darren La La Land just kind of the character arc with Emma Stone maybe.
Speaker B:Okay, maybe a bit of that.
Speaker B:In the drop dead gorgeous different kind of film completely.
Speaker B:But that sort of diva thing of one upmanship in not the theater but in a different kind of beauty pageant scene.
Speaker B:It's kind of a black comedy.
Speaker B:That one dropped it.
Speaker B:Gorgeous.
Speaker B:Mean Girls.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Might be a stretch but the kind of power dynamics.
Speaker B:That's Lindsay.
Speaker B:Keep going and keep going.
Speaker B:Oh, keep going.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:What else did I have?
Speaker B:A Devil Wears Prada.
Speaker C:That was my meat.
Speaker C:Devil Wears Prada meets Mean Girls.
Speaker C:Oh, that was my meat.
Speaker B:I'm somewhere near there.
Speaker C:That's good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I had Sunset Boulevard as well, which I watched a long time ago.
Speaker B:I remember it was like an X star sort of fading diva sort of thing, wasn't it?
Speaker A:I think anything with an old style it would be good.
Speaker A:I think another good one would be Katharine Hepburn.
Speaker A:So Bringing Up Baby would be a great one.
Speaker A:Probably another Marilyn Monroe lone bercool one like how to Marry a Millionaire.
Speaker B:Those types of shamingly.
Speaker B:Haven't seen many of these other clips.
Speaker A:Also a little bit the Harley Quinn movie.
Speaker A:I mean you're going to have violence and richer language but I just thought.
Speaker C:Of a single white female.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, that's good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's one movie I reference and I have seen.
Speaker B:Oh, I haven't actually seen that but I know what it's about.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I think he meets is pretty solid though.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Devil is proud of meets Mean Girls.
Speaker B:The only other one I put down which I don't know, kind of completely different but Fatal Attraction just kind of.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Kind of similar vein.
Speaker B:Yeah, similar vein.
Speaker B:Maybe kind of I think excessive nature.
Speaker C:But this is.
Speaker C:This is more about career wise.
Speaker C:It's about the cycle.
Speaker C:There's always this new start.
Speaker C:There's always someone coming through and it's just about in which particular instance, how did this happen?
Speaker A:I think it's frothier than those movies though, I think.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think it's more fun.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:There's not really anything major at stake.
Speaker A:There's drama, but it's because.
Speaker C:And I mean, this isn't a loud film.
Speaker C:It's very.
Speaker B:No, and it's not really a rom com either.
Speaker B:I would classify it more as sort of a light drama, like a comedy drama.
Speaker B:There's romantic bits in it, though.
Speaker A:I think there's some adorably romantic bits.
Speaker B:But would you still call it a rom com?
Speaker B:Like an early rom com?
Speaker C:No, no, no.
Speaker A:I mean, you got the sarcastic best friend, but you don't really have, like.
Speaker A:I think for me, a rom com.
Speaker A:You need the chase to the station or to the wedding.
Speaker A:To the chase.
Speaker B:So the only other thing I noticed with this is it's very much.
Speaker B:I can see why it was kind of Hollywood's go to film at the time and it had all these Oscar nominations and things.
Speaker B:Because it's very much a Hollywood darling film as well, isn't it?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's very much talking about, like, oh, you go to Hollywood, and that's the big time.
Speaker B:And it kind of.
Speaker C:I think it's a bit of commentary on the.
Speaker C:On it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it kind of plays with that a bit, doesn't it, saying, oh, if you go to Hollywood, it's not the same as the theater, but it still pitches it.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, it definitely shits on Hollywood because there's a bit at the beginning, isn't there, where, I mean, it's not talking about Hollywood, it's talking about theater.
Speaker A:But it's like all the lesser awards have been given out to the director.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker A:The important award is for the actor.
Speaker A:And he says something about how, you know, the technicians basically build the.
Speaker A:Like, the pyre for the star to shine.
Speaker A:Yeah, but the actors, they build the foundations.
Speaker C:The star, it takes the stage.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker C:That takes us on to part two, the unboxing.
Speaker C:In the unboxing, we have what did you miss?
Speaker C:Where we reveal things you may have missed, even if you've seen the movie before.
Speaker C:Paul has his formidable facts of the day.
Speaker C:And then we round off with Hate it or rate it, where we each give our brief opinion score out of 10, and we see where it lands on the Legend League.
Speaker C:So what did we miss?
Speaker C:I'm gonna go to you, Darren, because it was your choice.
Speaker A:I think the subtext is kind of obvious.
Speaker A:Like, it's about a woman who's struggling with getting older and being left behind.
Speaker A:She's also dating a younger guy.
Speaker A:And then it's about as I think Paul alluded to just now, there's a sea of people who want celebrity, who want applause.
Speaker A:And this is obviously pre Internet.
Speaker A:This is pretty like Andy Warhol being like, you know, in the future, everyone will get their 15 minutes of fame.
Speaker C:It's pre.
Speaker C:Pre blockbusters and things like that, isn't it?
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:But it's still the same themes of fame.
Speaker C:And everybody wanted to be famous.
Speaker C:Fame was a thing.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Everyone wants a YouTube channel now.
Speaker A:Every wants a podcast.
Speaker A:Jesus, so many podcasts.
Speaker B:I tell you what, I'm sick of these movie podcasts.
Speaker C:Guys sitting around table just like, just talking shite about movies, talking about ramblings.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Listens to that.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:No one needs that.
Speaker B:Thanks to our listeners for listening.
Speaker A:And I think that's encapsulated.
Speaker A:I remember probably watch this before I went to film school.
Speaker A:Then I went to film school.
Speaker A:But that final scene where it's the new Eve, I think she's called Phoebe or I think.
Speaker A:No, the new Eve.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there's Eve.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then she is now the star.
Speaker A:And then this.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Phoebe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's a new girl comes in called Phoebe.
Speaker B:I like that twist.
Speaker B:It kind of brings it full circle to the it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then she holds the dress and she's looking to.
Speaker A:Into a mirror, and it's like a reflective mirror where there's a sea of like, hundreds of them and there's hundreds and thousands and hundreds of thousands of Eves waiting on the wings hoping to be a star.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's an incredibly difficult profession to get into because of that.
Speaker A:But there's always someone else waiting.
Speaker C:It's almost like they're like, you've had your time.
Speaker C:Get out of the way.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, you're done.
Speaker C:Move on.
Speaker B:Because even.
Speaker B:Even modern theater gets a bit of this through TikTok and things.
Speaker B:Legally Blondes doing a tour at the moment, and Amber Davis is leading it as the main character.
Speaker B:And Hannah Lowther is like playing a different character in it.
Speaker B:But when Amber Davis is off, she's playing the main character in it.
Speaker B:And it's funny watching TikTok create this narrative around the two and this friction that may or may not actually be there, but it's like, oh, I prefer this one over that one.
Speaker B:And creating this sort of friction between the two.
Speaker B:And when you see clips of them, they're both obviously fantastic in it, but everyone likes to.
Speaker C:Making a deal out of nothing.
Speaker B:Make a deal out of nothing.
Speaker B: that theater world so this is: Speaker B:Yeah, similar things going on.
Speaker C:I'm not sure that intro would fly today with today's audiences that long.
Speaker C:That was a long voiceover talk over the hall, introducing everybody, what this all was about and the build up to it.
Speaker B:Sort of setting.
Speaker B:Setting the scene.
Speaker C:That was a long.
Speaker C:They wouldn't.
Speaker C:They would not do that today.
Speaker B:Oh, no, they wouldn't.
Speaker B:By design.
Speaker B:Or maybe they would, but in artistic films.
Speaker C:But they would be more succinct.
Speaker C:They wouldn't go on for as long.
Speaker C:People just get bored.
Speaker B:You'd have the Netflix people going like, no, no, you need to move this along and have an action scene.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:There'd be an explosion.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:His voice is so amazing.
Speaker C:It is great.
Speaker C:I enjoyed it.
Speaker C:I'm just saying younger audiences, new audience, modern audiences, maybe not.
Speaker C:Wouldn't gel with that as much, I.
Speaker B:Don't think, unless it goes full circle and eventually they start to appreciate that.
Speaker C:His tension spans would have to increase.
Speaker C:I can't see that ever happening.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker A:There's also an element of what is valued.
Speaker A:So we talked on the Devil as Prada about what's the cost of greatness.
Speaker A:And this in.
Speaker A:In terms of Betty Davis's character, Margot, the cost of greatness for her is holding down a relationship and, you know, whether she can be married.
Speaker A:And as she does, this little talk about how, you know, as a woman, she's almost seen as a failure when she doesn't roll over in bed and there's a face looking at her.
Speaker A:And apparently Betty Davis said that late in life.
Speaker A:She said the.
Speaker A:Described the last few decades of her life as my macabre period.
Speaker A:And she hated being alone at night and found growing older terrifying.
Speaker C:You know, and that was.
Speaker C:The thing that's good about that, is that's.
Speaker C:Anybody can relate to that.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:And then her insecurities that she's dating a guy who's younger than.
Speaker C:Here we go, Here we go.
Speaker B:I don't know why he's laughing.
Speaker C:There's an age gap.
Speaker C:Age difference thing we mentioned here.
Speaker C:In a minute.
Speaker A:No, but.
Speaker A:No, I'm fine with the age difference.
Speaker B:Are we back in the Sam Neill oradun territory?
Speaker A:No, because it's only smaller.
Speaker B:Like she's.
Speaker C:Because it's male to female, not female to male.
Speaker A:It's also just seven years.
Speaker A:It's not two decades.
Speaker A:But she's, I think, 41, 42, and the guy she's dating is 35.
Speaker A:And she's like, you know, he looks 35.
Speaker A:He is 35.
Speaker A:In five years, he'll look 35.
Speaker A:And she's.
Speaker A:I hate men.
Speaker A:And I just love that because also, it's rarer.
Speaker A:We don't see that in movies that often where the guy's dating someone older.
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker A:And he's smitten with her.
Speaker A:And she's just worn down by society's expectations of beauty and youth and things like that.
Speaker C:It seems like Eve does.
Speaker C:Doesn't just want success, she wants Margo's life.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's the.
Speaker C:Like, the pinnacle.
Speaker C:Not the pinnacle, the crux of this thing.
Speaker C:She wants to replace her and have.
Speaker A:Her life and she wants to steal it.
Speaker A:She doesn't want to do the work.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:She doesn't want to do the work that Margot would have done to get there.
Speaker A:Michael's aware of this.
Speaker A:Like she says this line, all the religions in the world rolled into one.
Speaker A:We are gods and goddesses.
Speaker C:She does it.
Speaker C:She does it by earning her trust, which is kind of unset.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's the unsettling thing, is you go into her trust and then.
Speaker B:Very inspecting at the start.
Speaker B:So I'd never seen this before, so for me, that was unsuspecting because I didn't really know what it was about.
Speaker B:Bit like you on this one.
Speaker B:Didn't watch any trailers or anything like that.
Speaker B:Heard a lot about it.
Speaker B:So I was unsuspecting.
Speaker B:I was almost as taken in.
Speaker B:But then I started to twig.
Speaker B:Well, hang on.
Speaker B:Because the start sets it up.
Speaker B:How the hell did you get to there from there?
Speaker B:And you start to watch it.
Speaker B:It's like a worker magic, if you will.
Speaker C:It's a slow infiltration.
Speaker B:Yes, very much so.
Speaker B:There's like stealth.
Speaker A:There's a lot of.
Speaker A:You'd have to watch this over and over again just to see how much stuff is happening with the dialog as well, because it's really succinct.
Speaker A:And there's stories of Bette Davis rocking up on sets with, like, a yellow legal pad and just rewriting script after script after script.
Speaker A:Just would rewrite it all on this.
Speaker A:She didn't touch it.
Speaker A:She was like, why would I?
Speaker A:And she did.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:I don't want to piss on your facts.
Speaker B:No, there's loads of them.
Speaker A:Honestly, though, she.
Speaker A:The person who was going to play her role, got injured on a film set and so couldn't do it.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker A:So they rang Bette Davis, who had friction with the studio for being A diva.
Speaker A:And they were like, can you be here next week?
Speaker A:And she was like, for that part, I'll be there on Monday.
Speaker A:And we just like, amazing.
Speaker C:And went, nice.
Speaker A:But there's little bits.
Speaker A:Like, there's a bit where her partner, the guy.
Speaker A:I can't remember his name.
Speaker A:Bill, isn't it?
Speaker A:He calls over to Eve and Margot and says, hey, Junior, keep an eye on her.
Speaker A:She's a loose lamb in the jungle.
Speaker A:And Eve responds, I will.
Speaker A:But he's not talking to her.
Speaker A:He's talking to Margot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's calling her Junior because she's.
Speaker A:He's still, I think, kind of protective.
Speaker A:And Caesar is, like, kind of a kid.
Speaker A:And he's also kind of messing with her, but also complimenting her.
Speaker B:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker A:Because Margo is not the loose lamb in the jungle.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or maybe he is saying that.
Speaker A:Maybe he's saying to.
Speaker C:No, I think you're right.
Speaker C:I think you're right the first time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But they do that a couple of times where there's a bit where I think Margot's.
Speaker A:They're talking on the stairs, and Margot's worried about her career.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:And Addison DeWitt says to Marilyn Monroe, oh, you need to consider television next.
Speaker A:And it's like Margot hears that, and it sees it as her career kind of falling down.
Speaker A:And his little bits, like, where it's like, she apologized for that.
Speaker A:And Margot's, like, on her knees.
Speaker A:I'm sure.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:It's like, that's.
Speaker A:What did you just say?
Speaker B:You can't say that.
Speaker B: It's: Speaker A:I know, but there's tons of, like, kind of people talking over each other and words getting missed.
Speaker A:There's a bit where I think Bill says to Margot, I love you.
Speaker A:And she says, I'll check with Eve, but it's not.
Speaker A:Because she means to say that she's halfway through a conversation with somebody else about something else.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then he's like, I love you.
Speaker A:And she's.
Speaker A:I'll check.
Speaker A:She's still on the thought process.
Speaker A:Process.
Speaker A:But it is that, like, Eve's checking in and kind of taking over stuff.
Speaker C:It is a subtle movie.
Speaker C:It's clever as well.
Speaker C:It's well written.
Speaker B:My favorite clever bit was the voiceover shift.
Speaker B:Telling you the narrative.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the voiceover changes to the different characters.
Speaker B:Because it starts with the guy with the very good Addison DeWitt, and he starts telling the story, and you're.
Speaker B:Okay, so this guy's going to tell you the story all the way through.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker B:But then Switches.
Speaker B:I remember when I.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, I like that.
Speaker A:Switches to Karen, the perspective.
Speaker A:Karen Richards as Celeste Holmes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Then for a little bit it's Margot.
Speaker A:Then it goes back to Karen, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, I liked all that.
Speaker C:I really like.
Speaker C:They don't.
Speaker C:That doesn't happen.
Speaker C:I can't remember film.
Speaker C:That's how it happened.
Speaker C:Other film that's happened.
Speaker C:It's normally one narrator for the whole film.
Speaker C:Sometimes unreliable.
Speaker C:I can't think of a movie where it shifts from different characters throughout the film.
Speaker C:I've noticed that there's the cycle that she took or the route that she took was assistant to a confidant, then to the understudy, then to the replacement.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker C:And she did it very cleverly.
Speaker B:The circle of theater.
Speaker C:I mean, I completely.
Speaker C:I say it's two.
Speaker C:Two hours, whatever it was.
Speaker C:But it worked.
Speaker C:Like, it works.
Speaker C:That's the time it took to get for this to work.
Speaker C:So there we go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can see why they spent the time showing that build.
Speaker A:And the narrators are unreliable.
Speaker A:Like, particularly so Addison DeWitt.
Speaker A:He's unbelievably biased towards theater, of course.
Speaker A:Like, I think he's talking about breeding.
Speaker A:It's like, oh, according to her.
Speaker A:I think it's Karen's breeding.
Speaker A:She shouldn't be here, but she's married a playwright, so she's royalty by association or something like that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And when he lets it slip that he knows the game and the game is up, you know, it's quite thrilling at that point.
Speaker B:She's like, oh, he knows.
Speaker B:Cause he knows.
Speaker B:He's like, quite switched on character, isn't he?
Speaker A:So it's also quite a scary part.
Speaker A:That is one of the only times.
Speaker A:It's not that I felt that it was an old film, but I did.
Speaker A:And it's when she laughs at him, Eve Larson, and he slaps her.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:And he's a big freaking guy.
Speaker A:He's like, formidable.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He dresses like a gentleman in a suit and stuff.
Speaker A:He's a big guy.
Speaker A:Comes and he's very threatening and he's like, don't you ever laugh at me.
Speaker A:You can laugh at anyone else, but not me.
Speaker A:And that's that famous line, isn't it, about, you know, women are scared guys are going to kill them, but guys are scared women are going to laugh at us.
Speaker A:And it's in this film.
Speaker C: And you're in: Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You remember where you are.
Speaker C:So Margot's battle wasn't with Eve in this movie.
Speaker C:It Was more with time.
Speaker C:That's her biggest, because she felt like she was running out of it.
Speaker C:Her insecurity about aging is what opened the door in the first place.
Speaker C:Like, Eve doesn't create the weakness.
Speaker C:She just finds it and exploits it.
Speaker B:Betty was acting as 40 in the role because she says, I think at some point she was 40, doesn't she?
Speaker A:Yeah, 40.
Speaker B:40.
Speaker B:And she was 42 in real life.
Speaker B:And a.m. baxter was 27.
Speaker C:Because I obviously, I couldn't watch this all in one go.
Speaker C:I think I watched it in four different.
Speaker B:You love it when we pick these long films.
Speaker B:So I was watching 15 seconds.
Speaker C:And I tend to make more notes, so I don't forget what I was up to, what was going on.
Speaker C:One of the last ones I made.
Speaker C:It's probably the last thing I have on this is about Addison DeWitt.
Speaker C:He's probably one of the most important characters in the film because he sees everything.
Speaker C:So while the others are being, like, emotionally pulled in, he stays detached, almost like the audience.
Speaker C:He recognizes Eve, what she is before anybody else.
Speaker C:Instead of exposing, he tries to control her.
Speaker C:That was my overriding observation on him.
Speaker A:Well, because he's grooming like Marilyn Monroe at the beginning, isn't he?
Speaker A:She's playing the person.
Speaker B:Oh, she's just so pretty in this.
Speaker A:I also think she's way brighter as a character.
Speaker A:Then she lets on.
Speaker A:Like she's playing the dumb blonde.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But you can see in her eyes.
Speaker C:It's a weapon.
Speaker C:It's a weapon.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And there's lines where she says.
Speaker A:I think they're talking about a fur coat, a sable.
Speaker A:Is that what it is?
Speaker A:And she says, oh, that's something a girl would do anything for.
Speaker A:And the guy was like a sable or Gable, I guess, meaning Clark Gable.
Speaker A:And she immediately says, oh, either one.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:You're actually quite quick.
Speaker A:You're just pretending to be fake to get.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:So she's another Eve, but she hasn't.
Speaker A:But she's found it like a male mentor instead of.
Speaker A:So she's trying to seduce men.
Speaker B:I wrote down at one point, Eves playing Game of Thrones.
Speaker B:For any Game of Thrones fans, it feels like there's a lot of.
Speaker A:How's that sound?
Speaker A:Like Peter Griffin.
Speaker B:That was very good.
Speaker B:Thanks, Peter Griffin.
Speaker B:But, yeah, no, it does have that underlying Game of Thrones tussle for the top power, get to the top and things.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:At the beginning as well.
Speaker A:Bill wants to go to Hollywood to be a director, doesn't he?
Speaker A:Or be a writer or something.
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker A:Then Eve mentions it in passing and he's overly defensive because I guess he's been attacked quite a bit.
Speaker A:She's like, no, it's a theater.
Speaker A:You should stay for the theater.
Speaker A:Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:And then at the end, she's obviously going off to Hollywood and making that same mistake or same journey, I suppose.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker C:Almost like a hypocritical move.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also, I think people defend where they are no matter what because they're scared.
Speaker A:Like, if you can do it, why can't I do it?
Speaker A:So it makes you question your.
Speaker A:Your life choices.
Speaker A:I don't know why I had.
Speaker A:It reminded me of Beowulf for some reason, and I'm not sure why, except it's making the same mistakes over and over again, which is what Beowulf is.
Speaker A:Beowulf is about, according to the film.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:I haven't read the book.
Speaker A:It's about guys who can't stop having freaking affairs, basically.
Speaker B:Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker C:Huge percentage of the population.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Anything else?
Speaker B:Shooks?
Speaker B:I left my autograph book of the cleaners.
Speaker B:There's lots of good lines.
Speaker B:That's what I was going to say.
Speaker B:Lots of kind of throwaway.
Speaker B:I was trying to write them down and they were so quick and fast.
Speaker B:I kept missing them.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Oh, that was a good one.
Speaker B:That was a good one.
Speaker B:Like zingers.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Good for the end of the show.
Speaker A:1950 As well.
Speaker A:They talk about unions at some point, which I don't know the timeframe in this, but this probably would be around the McCarthy witch hunts, I guess so where there was like a fear of communism and it was like, you know, were you ever a member of the Communist Party?
Speaker A:And people got blacklisted and it was horrendous.
Speaker A:And they put pressure on Bogart and it was like, ah, because.
Speaker A:Because this prick called Senator McCarthy.
Speaker A:But they talk about it in the theater.
Speaker A:Like, I think Eve offers to take coat to wardrobe and then.
Speaker A:But he's like, what are you doing?
Speaker A:Like, the costumers and the wardrobe do that their union do not annoy them.
Speaker A:And that's true on film sets now.
Speaker A:Like, you don't step on someone else's role on small budget movies.
Speaker C:You do on small budget movies.
Speaker C:Few people are doing many roles.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like velocipasta.
Speaker C:That's not.
Speaker C:We don't talk about that anymore.
Speaker A:No one was doing anything on it.
Speaker B:That's why I wanted to say.
Speaker C:Joke.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:If.
Speaker C:If you don't know what we're talking about, go listen to the Velocirapasta episode right now and come back.
Speaker C:Don't watch the movie.
Speaker C:Just listen to the episode.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think you're right with the lines.
Speaker A:It's the line where she.
Speaker A:Margo's just getting hammered at a piano at her own party, and then she's all molding and they're talking about love or something.
Speaker A:And then she's like, everybody has a heart.
Speaker A:And then she goes, except some people.
Speaker A:She's clearly, like, thinking about Bill and just be like, oh, except some people don't have a heart.
Speaker B:That was here, baby.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:Oh, that was a great line as well.
Speaker A:And the fact he comes for.
Speaker A:Oh, adorable.
Speaker A:I think that's one of the best performances of someone drinking on.
Speaker C:On screen if they weren't actually drunk.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think it looks pretty smash.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's nuance and it's.
Speaker A:It's subtle.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker C:It's real.
Speaker C:It's authentic.
Speaker A:Like with nail and eye levels of drunk.
Speaker A:Yes, I approve entirely.
Speaker C:Agreed.
Speaker B:She was very much a perfectionist, wasn't she?
Speaker B:So you can see that in a performance.
Speaker A:And okay to not ugly for herself because she's stunning, but she's okay to commit to the role.
Speaker B:Yeah, go there.
Speaker A:Bill's 32.
Speaker A:I've got actually 32.
Speaker A:And Margot was 40.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So many great lines.
Speaker A:If there was nothing else, there's always applause.
Speaker C:Anything else?
Speaker A:You guys hadn't seen it before, is that right?
Speaker C:No, no, I never heard of it.
Speaker A:Well, so watching it again, I was struck by how quickly I think.
Speaker A:We think Eve is dangerous.
Speaker A:Did you guys pick up that?
Speaker B:Like I say, at first, no, I was completely naive, but then there was this moment where the penny drops.
Speaker C:I'm like, oh, well, because it's called All About Eve.
Speaker C:As soon as she was introduced, I was like, it just made me look at her more than anybody else.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Interesting, Interesting.
Speaker C:She's a little bit too innocent and a bit too straight laced.
Speaker B:I thought she was gonna do it all but not realize what she was doing.
Speaker B:Like, oh, whoops.
Speaker B:But then at some point, I was like, oh, okay, this is.
Speaker C:I wasn't sure how it was gonna do it.
Speaker C:I was like, this isn't all that meets the eye here.
Speaker C:There's something.
Speaker C:And obviously we find out what it is.
Speaker B:So what were you the first time you saw it then?
Speaker A:I don't think I realized the subtlety of it.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker C:Obviously, it's more obvious the second half.
Speaker C:So this time.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was just like, you just let a snake into the theater.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's something about the way she moved her, that kind of.
Speaker A:She's doing a performance.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And that's what I took away.
Speaker A:But then you look at Marilyn Monroe's character, you're like, oh, you're doing a performance.
Speaker A:And it's easy to think that Eve's genuine, I suppose.
Speaker C:Well, even at the very beginning where she's like waiting around the corner in that doorway, she's just there.
Speaker C:Like it's all pre planned, it's all premeditated.
Speaker C:She knows what she's doing.
Speaker A:Yeah, totally.
Speaker C:Like how did she know exactly to be there?
Speaker C:Who's going to be then?
Speaker B:And the silly hat and the way she dressed and.
Speaker B:And then later on where all the critics just happened to go to the performance where she was standing in.
Speaker B:It's like she's Game of Thrones in it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I love that she tries to go for it.
Speaker A:Is Bill.
Speaker A:It's Bill Simpson.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's just like.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Just shuts it down immediately.
Speaker A:Are you doing like you're a freaking 20 something year old biscuit?
Speaker A:You're nothing compared to like Margot Channing.
Speaker C:Sit.
Speaker B:I like that.
Speaker C:I like that.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker A:That's what's so heartbreaking because he freaking adores her.
Speaker C:Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker C:That takes us nicely into Paul's formidable facts of the day.
Speaker B:Formidable.
Speaker B:Like Bette Davis.
Speaker C:I know there's loads, but give us a.
Speaker C:Just give us a few.
Speaker B:Bette Davis fell in love with a co star, Gary Merrill, who I think is Bill.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:During the shoot of this movie.
Speaker B: And the Two married in July: Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker C:They must have known each other before this.
Speaker A:But they divorced.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know about it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Davis had come out of a previous divorce before she went to shoot this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:God.
Speaker B:And then went straight like a rebound.
Speaker B:Then kind of.
Speaker A:I think Bette Davis then went on to say the interesting thing is that she feels like Gary Melrose, who plays Bill Simpson, fell in love with Margot channel and she feels like she fell in love with Gary.
Speaker C:Well, it was the characters.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Bill Simpson.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker A:Who is it?
Speaker A:Who was in.
Speaker A:Who's in the famous.
Speaker A:Is it Gilda?
Speaker A:She's the picture in Shawshank Redemption on the prison wall.
Speaker B:Oh, I don't.
Speaker A:Hayworth.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I think Rita Hayworth said something similar.
Speaker A:That they want to go to bed with Gilda and they wake up.
Speaker B:You're quoting Notting Hill right now.
Speaker B:Oh, not In Hills, quoting what you're calling.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:That's where I heard it from.
Speaker B:Julia.
Speaker A:Robert says it in Nottingham.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:That's where I've heard that from.
Speaker B:This is kind of briefly on Darren's point, but gives it a bit more context.
Speaker B:Upon learning that he, Casper E. Davis, one of the her former directors, Edmund Goldin, rang up Joseph, director of this one, Mackinwitz.
Speaker B:Yeah, Mankiewicz, and warned him that she would grind him down into a fine powder.
Speaker B:And this was a reference to her on set behavior, not least to which was rewriting her dialogue.
Speaker B:However, like Darren said before, the warning proved unnecessary because Davis knew better than to mess with his finely tuned script.
Speaker B:And he found working with her to be one of the most professional and agreeable actresses he's ever worked with.
Speaker B:So there you go.
Speaker B: Supporting Actress also as of: Speaker B:That'd be this year.
Speaker B:This shares the record for the second most Oscar nominations.
Speaker B:14 With Titanic and La La Land.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:And it won six, I believe it did.
Speaker B:So good stuff.
Speaker B:Costar Celeste Holmes spoke about her experience with Bette Davis on the first day of shooting.
Speaker B:I walked onto the set on the first day and said, good morning.
Speaker B:And do you know her reply?
Speaker B:She said, oh, good manners.
Speaker B:And apparently I never.
Speaker B:Apparently she said she never spoke to her again.
Speaker A:No, they didn't.
Speaker B:Ever.
Speaker A:I don't know why.
Speaker A:There's nothing around it.
Speaker B:I don't get it.
Speaker A:I suspect that Betty maybe just needed, I don't know, somebody on set that she was like that with.
Speaker A:Maybe, but I don't know.
Speaker A:Seems a shame.
Speaker B:Seems a shame that, yeah, one.
Speaker B:One interaction, that was it.
Speaker B:Boom, gone.
Speaker B:Years later, Betty Davis said an interview, filming all about you was a very happy experience.
Speaker B:The only bitch in the cast was Celeste Holm, which is crazy as well,.
Speaker A:Because she was angry with Anne Baxter, who pushed to get herself pushed for Best Actress, not Best Supporting Actress.
Speaker A:She was like, it's called All About Eve, not All About Margot.
Speaker A:Because they did that, they think they split the vote.
Speaker A:And so some person who really wasn't even in the running got it.
Speaker B:When I was going through all the facts, one of them said they made it sound like the two of them.
Speaker A:Were fighting, but then this press isn't it.
Speaker B:Yeah, but apparently they got along quite well on the set.
Speaker B:But maybe the Oscar thing maybe pushed them over the edge.
Speaker B:Bette Davis admitted later on to Joseph, the director, that casting her in this movie saved her career from oblivion.
Speaker B: cessful movies, she said in a: Speaker B:The movie's line, fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night, was voted as the number nine movie quote by the American Film Institute.
Speaker A:I had a friend say that just before having sex, there's a girl.
Speaker B:That's what she said.
Speaker A:Just as she got on top, she was like, but buckle your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Speaker B:Well, I'm going to concentrate over the rest of the podcast now.
Speaker B:How many days do you think it took Betty Davis to film all the scenes in?
Speaker A:Oh, it was like nothing.
Speaker A:It was like 9 or 14 or something.
Speaker B:So good at this.
Speaker B:16.
Speaker B:16 Days.
Speaker A:Yeah, but I can.
Speaker A:I can see that because it's not.
Speaker A:It's one of those movies if you know the dialogue.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:You can just go in and execute.
Speaker A:It and it's quite long takes and it's.
Speaker C:And she's a professional.
Speaker C:She's really good at what she does.
Speaker A:Like, you know, your lines, get up, deliver, you know, there's no special effect shots.
Speaker A:It's, you know, it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker B:Betty Davis said in her autobiography, I can think of no project that from the outset was as rewarding from the first day to the last.
Speaker B:Is easy to understand why.
Speaker B:It was great script, had a great director and was a cast of professionals, all with parts they liked.
Speaker B:It was a charm production from the word go.
Speaker B:So that's straight from Betty Davis herself.
Speaker B:Ingrid Bergman was another actress considered for the part of Margot Channing, but she had just fallen in love with Italian director Roberto Rossellini and didn't want to leave Italy.
Speaker B:So Ingrid Bergman, she regrets that decision.
Speaker C:Are they still.
Speaker C:Do they live forever after?
Speaker B:Let's hope they did.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:There are a lot more facts because, like I say, old films tend to gather more facts, but there's.
Speaker C:They've had more time to.
Speaker C:Faster.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's a few.
Speaker B:Keep.
Speaker C:Thank you, Paul.
Speaker C:Thank you very much.
Speaker C:Okay, that takes us perfectly into Hate it or rate it.
Speaker C:And since it was Darren Horn's request, he's going first.
Speaker A:Sweet.
Speaker A:It's a masterpiece.
Speaker A:It's clearly a masterpiece.
Speaker A:It's regularly in the top 100 movies of all time.
Speaker A:It's probably on IMDb's list.
Speaker C:Guarantee it's a masterpiece, though the critics.
Speaker A:Think it's that with the bfi.
Speaker A:If it's on the British Film Institute or the American Film Institute, then it's usually got a cultural significance.
Speaker C:Doesn't mean you normally agree, though.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:So I do think it's phenomenal.
Speaker A:I think, you know, how many Oscars do you say it was?
Speaker A:Like?
Speaker C:16.
Speaker A:16 Oscars won six.
Speaker A:I think it is stunning, as in terms of representation, in terms of dialogue, in terms of characters.
Speaker A:I do think it's superb.
Speaker A:It's one of those movies, though, that's kind of filmed like theater, which is okay, you know, but it means I didn't spot that much interest in the camera work or other than that shot at the end where it's all the mirrors and stuff.
Speaker A:That was quite cool.
Speaker A:But that was almost out of place because it felt like that was so.
Speaker B:Artistic compared to the.
Speaker C:Like, they had the idea at the end.
Speaker C:Oh, I've got an idea.
Speaker C:Let's finish like this.
Speaker A:Yeah, totally.
Speaker A:So I am much like Natalie and Bruni are torn because I kind of want to give it 10 out of 10, but.
Speaker A:Actually, you can't.
Speaker A:I don't think I can, because I even.
Speaker B:The British Film Institute, the American.
Speaker A:I admire the crap out of it,.
Speaker C:And I like it at the time as well.
Speaker A:And I do think that if I ever get into a relationship again and I'm doing the thing.
Speaker C:If I ever.
Speaker C:You will.
Speaker C:Will.
Speaker B:That's my line.
Speaker A:Yeah, but, you know, Will.
Speaker A:But when you, like, fall in love, you just want to be like, okay, if you love me, you need to know these movies.
Speaker A:And, you know, I've learned that in the past as well.
Speaker A:Like, I'm dating someone who loves a series of books.
Speaker A:Just read the series of books.
Speaker B:And if someone doesn't like the Muppy Christmas Carol, it's a huge red flag.
Speaker B:I understand.
Speaker A:It's a huge red flag.
Speaker B:I know, right?
Speaker A:Totally.
Speaker A:So I think that I.
Speaker A:This would be one of those movies where I'm like, oh, you need to watch All About Eve.
Speaker A:And I'd say it about new, various westerns and stuff.
Speaker A:So I'd love to watch it again.
Speaker A:When I was in a relationship, I think.
Speaker A:And I think then it would be a 10 because it would just land a little bit differently.
Speaker A:Watching this as an older guy now I feel like I'm getting older and I'm feeling really more insecure.
Speaker B:And, you know, Betty Davis.
Speaker A:I'm getting more gray hairs.
Speaker A:Got Betty Davis eyes.
Speaker A:Steeper semi eyes.
Speaker A:So I think I. I can't quite go 10, but I'll give it a 9.
Speaker A:But I heartily Recommend anyone who hasn't seen this to go watch it.
Speaker C:Okay, I'll go next.
Speaker C:Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker C:It was better than I was expecting.
Speaker C:I was hoping.
Speaker C:I was thought with the length of time I was going to be bored.
Speaker C:But I wasn't actually bored in this.
Speaker C:I didn't.
Speaker C:It didn't blow me away, but I was impressed by it and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Speaker C:Followed it all the way through.
Speaker C:Like I was looking forward to picking it up again every time I had to stop.
Speaker B:That's good when you're doing it in pieces and yeah.
Speaker B:Forward to the next time.
Speaker C:Look for some.
Speaker C:I've had movies where I've done it before and I've not been bothered, like if I'm resuming.
Speaker C:But no, I really enjoy this.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:It's well written, it's well thought out, especially for the.
Speaker C:For the time.
Speaker C:And yeah, I thought I enjoyed it.
Speaker C:So I'm gonna give it a solid eight over.
Speaker C:Do you, Paul?
Speaker B:Yeah, I just thought it was really mid.
Speaker B:2 Out of 10.
Speaker A:This is Paul being furious outgradients for Jurassic Park.
Speaker B:How could you give Jurassic Park?
Speaker C:Let it go.
Speaker B:Okay, okay.
Speaker B:Seriously.
Speaker B:I just wanted to see what Darren said.
Speaker B:Yeah, I can see why people think of it in high regard.
Speaker B:I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker B:Particularly I like watching old movies because I don't watch enough of them.
Speaker B:And for someone who professes to be a film geek, I have massive gaps in my old school movie knowledge.
Speaker B:My 90s film knowledge is pretty stupid.
Speaker B:My 80s film knowledge is pretty stupid.
Speaker B:But as soon as it starts going back, I'm not as good.
Speaker B:So I really enjoy watching an old film.
Speaker B:Getting into that headspace, really.
Speaker B:Like the narrative structure, like the voiceover stuff.
Speaker B:A bit like you, Matt.
Speaker B:I thought maybe I'm gonna be a bit bored at this.
Speaker B:But then it just pulled me in.
Speaker B:So I can see why it won all the awards and everything.
Speaker B:Loved Dan Baxter doing the whole shifting of Eve.
Speaker B:That was really good.
Speaker B:Loved everything, obviously from Betty Davis as well, but all the other supporting characters as well.
Speaker B:It's like a really good ensemble.
Speaker B:And when I was looking for the facts and stuff, there's some great shots of the whole ensemble, like outside the studio, just like a picture of them off the set, just as a big team.
Speaker B:And I'm like, yeah, what a good ensemble.
Speaker B:That was okay, right in it.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think I'm gonna say Ms.
Speaker B:Humor.
Speaker B:I think I'm gonna go a solid 8.
Speaker B:I can imagine why people would give it a 10 straight out of the gate because I think the bit missing probably is that nostalgia.
Speaker B:I don't really have any connection to it in the past.
Speaker B:Obviously it's a different era to what I'm used to.
Speaker B:But just for dialogue alone, delivery, acting, performances, all of that stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Solid eight.
Speaker A:There's a point as well where I've been thinking a lot about my ideal partner to try and kind of manifest for some and stuff.
Speaker A:And I'm watching this being like, Margot Channing's pretty high up there.
Speaker A:Like, I like someone who's that witty.
Speaker A:And there's a bit where she's like, she kind of purr.
Speaker A:She's like, you're handling me.
Speaker A:It's like, yes, of course I am.
Speaker A:She's like, well, I don't want to be handled.
Speaker A:I'm just like, ah.
Speaker A:I love.
Speaker A:Is it weird?
Speaker A:I'm attracted to women who are like angry cats.
Speaker B:Like any angry cats out there listening.
Speaker C:I don't know what that means, but.
Speaker A:It's like, can I. I'll say stroke you.
Speaker A:I'm allowed to stroke you until I'm not.
Speaker C:You're like an element of danger.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:I feel like we're going into a really weird territory right now, but.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:That gives it 25.
Speaker B:That must be somewhere up there then.
Speaker C:Which puts it in 12th place.
Speaker C:Well, on joint with.
Speaker C:On 25 with alien.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Below that is the Truman show and just above it with Nell and I and the Matrix.
Speaker B:We've done a lot of movies because these are all solid choices there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So there we go.
Speaker C:So that's what we thought of All About Eve, but we'd love to know what you thought.
Speaker C:So send in it.
Speaker C:Send us in your thoughts, your comments and we'll read them out on the show.
Speaker C:So that's where it lands on the Legend League.
Speaker C:You can go and check out the Legend League in the show.
Speaker C:Notes.
Speaker C:What would be a good follow up episode, do you think for this Devil was Prada?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:And then I was thinking the Prestige.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's because that's kind of like the whole duality trying to do each other and.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he's got Friday, obviously.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's gone Friday in a similar era.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker C:So if you, if you like this, this, that movie, this episode, we recommend you go and check out episode, our episode on Prestige and Devil Wears Prada.
Speaker C:That takes us nicely into part three, the listener lounge.
Speaker C:So in the listen lounge, we have the lobby where we have your questions, your stories and your comments.
Speaker C:Then we ask our question of the Week.
Speaker C:And we finish by revealing next week's movie.
Speaker C:One thing I need to mention to Paul is, is I'm blaming Paul for this one.
Speaker C:All this time, your friend Pete, who's been messaging him.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:You haven't corrected us on the fact that we've been pronouncing his surname incorrectly.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, I just figured maybe he spelled it wrong.
Speaker C:No, it's Pete Pemberton.
Speaker C:I know Pemberton well, as I've said every single time I've said his name.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, I apologize, Pete, but I'm blaming Paul.
Speaker B:But you know how sometimes people have different Instagram accounts and things?
Speaker B:I just figured that maybe you were reading something different.
Speaker B:No, because you said it so often.
Speaker B:I was like, well, that must be what it says on what you're reading.
Speaker C:I've just misread it.
Speaker C:That's on me.
Speaker C:But you could have corrected it.
Speaker C:You know him.
Speaker B:I could have done, but I thought maybe he was undercover or something.
Speaker C:So friend of the show, Pete Pemberton.
Speaker C:That's as he will now be known, his correct name, but you just said correctly.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker C:That's Pete Pemberton from now on this point forward.
Speaker C:Okay, so let's have a recap from last week, which was Scott Wiggles.
Speaker C:Scott Wiggleworth.
Speaker C:Wigglesworth's question about anyone's name.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You're like me now.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's catching.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So he was asking, are we all experiencing franchise fatigue?
Speaker C:You both suck.
Speaker C:You both kind of hinted it.
Speaker B:Yeah, we think we are.
Speaker C:They're just kind of rehashing things Jen has written and said.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:For example, a lot of the movies should have stopped on the first one.
Speaker C:In her opinion.
Speaker C:Jaws, Scream, and Nightmare on Elm street should have stopped at the first one.
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker B:I've only seen the first ones of most of them, so I'm like, okay.
Speaker C:Hi, lads.
Speaker C:For me, it's a definite yes.
Speaker C:Franchise fatigue is real.
Speaker C:It feels like everything now is either a sequel, a reboot, or part of some bigger universe.
Speaker C:I don't mind when it's done well, but it's just constant now.
Speaker C:I'd like to see more time and craft put into original content.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker C:And that's from Dan from Carlisle, and I think that's the first person to message in from our local area.
Speaker B:Oh, nice, Dan.
Speaker C:All over the world, but, like, the supposed local person.
Speaker C:So for Carlisle.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:This week's Question of the Week was sent in by Jan Withers, and it was name a book that needs to be turned into A movie?
Speaker C:Now that's a good question.
Speaker C:Now, I don't read many books, but I'm.
Speaker C:And this kind of ties into our last one in terms of getting franchise fatigue.
Speaker C:I'm sure there's some books out there that got the potential to turn to a great original sort of movie.
Speaker B:You see, they always try thinking.
Speaker B:They always try and do it with a franchise though, now, don't they?
Speaker B:Yeah, they always try and find a.
Speaker C:Book franchise story that made one movie.
Speaker C:You could build a franchise from it if it was solid.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:Don't you just feel like one day they'd make a book and just do the one?
Speaker C:No, because if it's successful.
Speaker B:I know, I know it's not a.
Speaker C:Bad thing to do a franchise, but it's just kind of very formulaic.
Speaker B:Now I'm reading the Priory of the Orange Tree.
Speaker A:You're well behaved, right?
Speaker B:It's taken me forever because I take forever to read books.
Speaker B:And you know who recommended it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's why you're well behaved.
Speaker A:You do as you're told.
Speaker A:They would listen to a podcast episode to repay the favor this.
Speaker B:So we can say what we want.
Speaker B:But yeah, I'm working my way through that and it really is.
Speaker B:Is that the world building sort of thing.
Speaker B:But it's very much like a Lord of the Rings, the kind of Game of Thrones the world.
Speaker B:And you just think, yeah, this would make.
Speaker B:When I'm reading it, you just.
Speaker B:She really.
Speaker B:The writer really paints the picture of,.
Speaker A:Well, I'm the world.
Speaker A:I've.
Speaker A:I recently finished Sarah J. Massey's Akata series, so A Court of Throne and.
Speaker B:Roses, which I've also been recommended of those.
Speaker A:Oh, it gets so good.
Speaker A:And then I did Clone Throne of Glass, which was a lot slower going.
Speaker A:Took me probably two books to get into it, but then now I'm addicted.
Speaker A:Now I'm literally looking at tattoos.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But I think these would work better as TV shows.
Speaker C:And I think, yeah, not just movies, I suppose.
Speaker C:TV shows, yeah.
Speaker B:Time to tell it, isn't there?
Speaker C:Yeah, like if the Mandalorian came out as a movie, I think it would have been wasted.
Speaker A:I'm not even speaking away.
Speaker A:I think, yes.
Speaker C:Coming back.
Speaker A:We're going back to franchise fatigue.
Speaker A:I should be overly excited about the Mandalorian and Grogu, the movie coming out.
Speaker A:And I don't care.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker B:I also don't care.
Speaker B:And I'm the biggest.
Speaker B:Or I used to be the biggest.
Speaker C:I do care.
Speaker C:I will watch it.
Speaker C:But like, yeah, I'VE kind of.
Speaker C:I've got all the juice out of that that I really need now.
Speaker B:I just feel like it's a knockoff.
Speaker B:A Boba Fett and a knockoff Yoda and the.
Speaker B:Try to like squeeze the juice out.
Speaker B:Yeah, that.
Speaker B:That's a good description.
Speaker B:And I used to lap this stuff up.
Speaker B:Something happened, something died when I watched Rise of Skywalker.
Speaker B:But let's not go there today.
Speaker A:There's a great book called this Is How We Win the Time War or this Is How We Lose the Time War.
Speaker A:I have no clue how you would make that into a film though.
Speaker A:I think it would have to be animated.
Speaker B:But really worth.
Speaker A:Oh, it's a phenomenal.
Speaker A:But it's only a little book.
Speaker A:It's set so far in the future.
Speaker A:Everything is almost alien and you don't even understand the words because they're fix your.
Speaker A:All words are made up.
Speaker A:You know, they're made up words.
Speaker A:And then I get like three quarters of the way through the book and then it clicks.
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Oh, just phenomenal.
Speaker A:Unbelievably powerful movie that makes you.
Speaker C:What's it called?
Speaker A:This is how we Win the Time War, I think.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's about two agents who are traveling through time to undermine the other's agents army.
Speaker A:And it's like a battle, but it's so cryptic.
Speaker A:But the ending of that book stayed with me for a very, very long time.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:Powerful stuff.
Speaker B:See, I often do the opposite though.
Speaker A:I'll.
Speaker B:I'll read the books of the films.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:To see what that was like.
Speaker B:So I'm reading quite a few of the Jack Reaches because my dad was reading them so he passed them on.
Speaker B:So I've been reading the Jack Reaches now.
Speaker B:I didn't mind Tom Cruise in the role of Jack Reacher because I hadn't read any books at that point.
Speaker B:And then you read the book and you're like, okay, I get why the book fans are kicking off because he's meant to be this man Mountain.
Speaker B:So obviously the TV show, they've got Alan Richardson in there who matches much more closely with the book.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But doesn't take away from the fact I still like the Tom Cruise depiction of it.
Speaker A:I love the series.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, the series is great as well.
Speaker A:Oh, Dragonlance.
Speaker A:And that's another series.
Speaker A:I read it as I was.
Speaker A:I was a kid.
Speaker A:I still don't understand why dragon answers in the series, but Dragon, it's like a dungeon.
Speaker A:Dragons world.
Speaker A:It's like you know, magicians and warriors do well today.
Speaker C:That sounds like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like half elves and.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I read it when I was a teenager.
Speaker A:I still remember the characters like.
Speaker C:Yeah, stayed with you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's cool.
Speaker B:So there must be loads of books out there that can still.
Speaker C:So, Jen, that's a good question.
Speaker C:So we'll put out to you guys.
Speaker C:Name a book or books that.
Speaker C:That should be turned into a movie that haven't yet.
Speaker C:Got to be some gold out there.
Speaker C:So send them in and we'll read them out on next week's show.
Speaker C:Also on next week's show, I'm introducing a monthly segment called around the Globe where we look back at the previous month's stats and see where we've had downloads and might give you to a bit of a quiz.
Speaker B:Oh, do we have to study for the quiz?
Speaker C:No, no, just guess.
Speaker C:Throw numbers in at me.
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker C:So that's next week.
Speaker C:That takes us on to next week's movie.
Speaker C:It's over to you, Mr. Day.
Speaker B:Movies.
Speaker B:I've thrown random ones at you.
Speaker B:I've thrown blockbusters in the hope that it was going to get me on the leaderboard, and it did not.
Speaker C:You've tried to get Darren to score one of your choices high.
Speaker B:I have.
Speaker B:I've tried baiting him with nostalgia.
Speaker B:I've tried rom coms that he said, I really like this film.
Speaker B:And then I put it on and he's like, no, I don't like it anymore.
Speaker B:So I'm going with one more final throw at Darren before I just start picking random cheesy films that I enjoy.
Speaker C:You stop caring before I stop.
Speaker B:Karen, this is how long it's taken me.
Speaker B:Years of a people pleaser I am.
Speaker B:But I'm going to throw in a big one that we haven't done yet.
Speaker B:I know you haven't seen it, Mark, and it's kind of a cinema classic.
Speaker B:I feel like even Darren will agree this is cinema.
Speaker B:I'm going to make you an offer you can't refuse.
Speaker B:Oh, you see where I'm going with this?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I really hope it holds up for him.
Speaker B:My last chance.
Speaker B:I'm going to throw in the Godfather, Marlon Brando, Al Pacino.
Speaker B:Robert Duvall.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:That is on my.
Speaker C:In my, like, top 10 list of movies that I haven't seen that I know I should have.
Speaker A:I'm sure you've heard this before, but that's too long.
Speaker C:Movie.
Speaker B:That's what she said.
Speaker B:That's what Mark says every time we pick one of these long movies.
Speaker B:It is quite long.
Speaker A:I think it's three hours.
Speaker C:I'm looking.
Speaker C:I'm looking up right now, so.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:1972.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, two hours, 55.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a long one.
Speaker B:It's like a few movies in one.
Speaker B:But hey, I hope it's as good.
Speaker C:As everybody says it is.
Speaker B:I hope it holds up for you.
Speaker B:To be honest though, it's not a film I watched when I was younger.
Speaker B:Well, not younger, younger, because obviously you.
Speaker C:Didn't watch anything above your age verification, did you?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Well, maybe Batman.
Speaker C:I'm 12 now.
Speaker C:I can watch 12.
Speaker C:I'm 15 now.
Speaker C:I can watch 15s.
Speaker B:That was me.
Speaker C:And then he finds a lot.
Speaker B:It does, doesn't it?
Speaker B:And anytime I snuck one through, it was like, that was a bit too much.
Speaker B:But yeah, no, I didn't see this till probably my 30s.
Speaker C:Oh, I'm looking forward to watching this.
Speaker B:So it was a long time coming for me as well.
Speaker B:It was one of them.
Speaker B:It's like you call yourself a film.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I've mentioned someone in conversation I've not seen.
Speaker B:Like what?
Speaker C:Yeah, like you two.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker B:So I've seen it a few times since.
Speaker B:So let's throw that in there, isn't it?
Speaker A:I saw some stuff on TikTok recently where they're saying, you know, when you're dating a guy who says he's a cinephile, then you check his.
Speaker A:Is it letterbox or letterbox?
Speaker A:Check his letterbox.
Speaker A:Top 10.
Speaker A:And it's just shit movies.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But then when are you allowed to say you're a cinephile like you say you're a cinephile?
Speaker C:If you love movies, doesn't matter they're shit or good.
Speaker C:Cinephile is someone who loves movies, doesn't say whether they're good or bad.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:If someone said they were a cinephile and then said they loved fucking velocipast.
Speaker C:Then ratings of cinema.
Speaker C:I'm an A plus cinephile.
Speaker C:Here's my better boxed to prove it.
Speaker C:Anyway, next week's movie is finally for me, the Godfather.
Speaker B:I'm looking forward to watching time.
Speaker B:I'll fit it in.
Speaker C:I'll try my best.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:I'm finding three hours in one sitting.
Speaker C:I'll do my best.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Next week's movie is the Godfather.
Speaker C:Where is it available, Paul?
Speaker B:I think it's on Amazon Prime.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Because that's where I spotted it on the stream and thought, oh, that's surprising because I imagined it be on Paramount plus or one of them but it's on Amazon prime currently.
Speaker C:Excellent.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was trying to think of the director, and then what's quite nice is I was like, oh, it's Sofia Coppola's dad.
Speaker A:Yes, that's a cool way.
Speaker A:My feminist brain doing a good job today.
Speaker B:It's George Lucas's mate, Francis.
Speaker A:Francis Ford Coppola.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And that brings us to the end of the show.
Speaker C:Thanks for listening.
Speaker C:We really do appreciate you taking some time out of your busy lives to spend some time with us.
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Speaker C:It genuinely helps us more than you think.
Speaker C:You can get all information at Movies in a nutshell.com email is hello, movies in a nutshell dot com.
Speaker C:We love to hear from you and we'll read some of your comments out on the show.
Speaker C:Okay, this episode is officially over.
Speaker C:This is Mark.
Speaker C:Say goodbye.
Speaker A:It's down.
Speaker A:Saying goodbye for now.
Speaker B:Slow curtain.
Speaker B:The end.
Speaker A:Okay, you're really smug with that one.
Speaker B:I was trying to be dramatic.
Speaker C:He dropped an imaginary mic to be quiet.
Speaker B:My pen.
