Hancock(2008) - The Superhero nobody wanted?

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That was fast.

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. Okay. Welcome back. Hancock: 2008

We'll find out. We'll let him know. I'll get him to send us a message about what he.

Paul: 00:01:12

What he send us a voice note. Rob, we need to know, is it.

Marc: 00:01:15

The law that if a movie's got your name and you have to watch it.

Darren: 00:01:17

Oh, now I've got to think of movies. My name's not in anything. I'm gonna change my name.

Paul: 00:01:21

The Horn identity. That could be a thing.

Marc: 00:01:25

That was fast.

Paul: 00:01:26

Thanks.

Marc: 00:01:27

That was good. That's good. I like that.

Paul: 00:01:31

Can't think of any others.

Darren: 00:01:33

I will change my name next year, I think. Use the podcast.

Marc: 00:01:38

Yeah. Okay, so let's begin with the nutshell. How do we break this down? What. What's this movie about?

Darren: 00:01:43

This is a superhero movie, but it's a superhero movie where the Superman is not a noble, kind boy scout that wants to help the world.

It's a Superman who is the last, the only of his kind on the planet and doesn't can't connect to anyone because we're all like beneath and so he's an alcoholic homeless person who just does. Helps people, but in the most chaotic, expensive way that you can. And that's kind of it.

Paul: 00:02:12

Or as I wrote down, it's Superman meets the Hangover.

Darren: 00:02:15

Or it's basically Supergirl.

Paul: 00:02:18

Yeah, the new one.

Darren: 00:02:19

Yeah.

Marc: 00:02:20

Superman meets the Hangover. I like that. That Is good.

Darren: 00:02:22

It is.

Marc: 00:02:23

Reminds me a bit of the. Is it Superman 3 when he's. When he's like.

Paul: 00:02:26

Yes. Where he fights his evil self and he's all, like, unshaven and doesn't it split his personality or something?

Marc: 00:02:33

Something like that, yeah.

Darren: 00:02:35

Christopher Reeve. Superman's. And it's got Will Smith in. And it's Charlie's Theron. And Jason Bateman.

Marc: 00:02:40

Yes.

Darren: 00:02:40

Who I always think of as being in Stand By Me because it amuses.

Paul: 00:02:44

Me, but I don't think he is in standby.

Darren: 00:02:46

Did we have this conversation every single time?

Paul: 00:02:49

No, I don't think we've ever had this. Have we?

Darren: 00:02:50

I think we have this argument.

Paul: 00:02:52

Jason Bateman's not Stand By Me.

Darren: 00:02:53

God damn it.

Paul: 00:02:54

Do you think. Are you mixing up with Jerry o'? Connell?

Darren: 00:02:56

Yeah. Jerry o'. Connell.

Marc: 00:02:57

Yeah.

Paul: 00:02:58

You decided you didn't like in sliders. And I was like, how? What? And you were like, jerry o' Connor.

Darren: 00:03:02

And Jason Bateman are the same person. In my head.

Paul: 00:03:05

That's very weird.

Marc: 00:03:06

You had Superman meets the Hangover. Superman meets Falling Down.

Paul: 00:03:11

Okay. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. I also put down. This is a TV series called the Boys, which is all kind of about.

I don't know if superheroes go off the rails. And then there's like, a company that sort of as their promotion.

Obviously, this was made in: 2008

Marc: 00:03:32

Yeah.

Paul: 00:03:32

Who are kind of a bit off on one. So it's that kind of meets an X Men.

Marc: 00:03:36

Yeah. He's like. He's like a reluctant hero. Doesn't really. He can't be bothered. He doesn't want to be there.

He's sort of frustrated that he's got these powers and he just kind of like, bumbles his way through life and then he meets someone who changes his.

Darren: 00:03:46

Life and he's, you know, he's kind of heartbroken. He's traumatized. He's desperately, desperately alone.

Paul: 00:03:52

And it's kind of a comedy, but it's also kind of a drama in parts. And it's kind of a superhero.

Marc: 00:03:58

An action movie as well.

Paul: 00:03:59

An action movie. It's a bit of a merge of the three. So it's not full out comedy. Even though that's kind of what it's sold as. It's not full out.

t Superhero, obviously. Since: 2008

Marc: 00:04:14

ke we're saying by Spider Man: 2002

Paul: 00:04:22

And: 2008

Marc: 00:04:29

So this is a bit of a twist on a usual superhero movie.

Paul: 00:04:32

Yeah, that's a good. It's almost a spoof in part.

Marc: 00:04:35

In a way. Yes.

Paul: 00:04:36

But then it's not in other parts because sometimes it plays it serious and sometimes it plays it straight. So it's to be ready for that mix.

Marc: 00:04:44

This kind of is. This class is quite a different role for Will Smith. Does this stand out from his usual stuff?

Darren: 00:04:49

Yeah, I think usually he's kind of cleaner than clean, isn't he? It's kind of seem like Men in.

Marc: 00:04:53

Black or any of the state or even bad boys.

Darren: 00:04:56

He's still very kind of well dressed, you imagine? He smells nice.

Marc: 00:05:00

Yeah. I was thinking is when I was watching, I was like, I can't remember all the time I've seen Will Smith like look really like let himself go dishevel.

Darren: 00:05:07

Pursuit of happiness.

Marc: 00:05:08

Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah.

Paul: 00:05:10

I mean, he's kind of playing the bad guy on his redemption arc here, isn't he? Yeah, not bad guy. It's the reluctant hero. Isn't it? The bad guy. Which again is, you know, maybe this is.

I haven't seen the new Supergirl yet, but from everything I hear, it sounds a similar sort of thing where you've got this drunken hero who then goes on the redemption arc, I guess.

Marc: 00:05:33

I think. I think if you like superheroes, this could potentially be a nice refreshing twist on it. It's not. It's not.

Not doesn't follow the predictable route of most superhero movies.

Paul: 00:05:41

Or, you know, if you're a fan of Will Smith and Charlie's Theron. Yes. Or even Jerry o'. Connell. Sorry, Jason Bateman.

Darren: 00:05:49

I'm going to need to see these two actors in real life in the.

Marc: 00:05:53

Same room or can someone listen to this? Please help Darren by doing like a split screen of the two of them and like, let's list some differences.

Paul: 00:05:59

So shall I name Jason Bateman films? You can tell me whether it's Jerry or.

Darren: 00:06:05

That'll be amazing.

Marc: 00:06:06

Yeah, let's get listeners on that. I like that. Help us out.

Paul: 00:06:09

I used to play this game with one of my old bosses. She used to get Ryan Gosling and Ryan Reynolds mixed up. So we used Ryan. So we used to display. Which Ryan is this?

Darren: 00:06:21

Five actresses who all look like Margot Robbie. Have you seen that meme?

Paul: 00:06:24

I've seen this. There's the one who was in that. The sex. Is it Sex Education, the Netflix show.

Darren: 00:06:31

Okay.

Paul: 00:06:31

She looks quite a bit like my room.

Darren: 00:06:33

Someone who's in All About Earl. I think she gets pulled into the movie mix a bit.

Paul: 00:06:36

Oh, I never thought of that until you mentioned it.

Darren: 00:06:38

But yeah, there's a couple.

Paul: 00:06:39

Okay, we've gone on a tangent again. Mark draws back. Hancock.

Marc: 00:06:43

Yeah, I think. I think we've pretty much. We've covered it. It's. It's a definitely. It could be a Friday night popcorn movie, couldn't it?

Darren: 00:06:48

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's beers and popcorn.

Marc: 00:06:51

Yeah.

Paul: 00:06:51

Yeah. It doesn't take itself too seriously, but there's a few twists and turns.

Marc: 00:06:56

Yeah. And it's not quite as over the top. Over the top of some of the superhero movies out there.

Paul: 00:07:00

Now, there's a few big action set pieces. It's kind of about the characters, but then there's a few big action set.

Marc: 00:07:05

Reminding you of what they. What. Who they are and what they'. Do. Okay, that takes us on to part two, the unboxing. Spoilers.

From this point forward, if you think you do want to go and watch it, I recommend you go and do so now because we are going to have some spoilers coming up. So what did you miss? I'm gonna go to Paul first on this one.

Darren: 00:07:27

Nice choice.

Paul: 00:07:29

Well, there's a lot.

Marc: 00:07:30

Is there now?

Paul: 00:07:31

No, I don't think there is. I don't think there's much. It feels like there's a couple of different things happening.

We're in spoiler zone now, so obviously we can reveal the fact that halfway through the film there's this big spoiler, which is Charlize Theron is also a God. That's what Will Smith is. And it kind of takes a complete diagonal. So up until the middle somewhere. It's very much about.

Okay, you've got the superhero. We don't know his backstory. Not the gods I think are the gods.

Marc: 00:08:00

I thought they're just superheroes.

Darren: 00:08:01

No, I thought they were aliens, but I can't remember where they thought they.

Marc: 00:08:05

Bring them in twos or something like that.

Paul: 00:08:06

No, but there's a line that she.

Darren: 00:08:07

Says, oh, well, but the aliens are believed. There's a theory that they're believed to be our gods are now superheroes like the Egyptian. Oh, I still deities yeah. And. And there's angels.

Paul: 00:08:19

That's what they are.

Darren: 00:08:19

Yeah. Well, there's. There's also. With aliens, apparently there's five species on Earth. Have you seen this stuff?

Marc: 00:08:24

No.

Darren: 00:08:25

So there's like, the ones who look like Norse kind of aliens, but there's also the blues, the grays. Yeah, it's. It's confusing because we're in a world now where they've released information that aliens exist, and no one seems to have paid attention.

Paul: 00:08:38

No one seems to give a shit.

Marc: 00:08:40

Right.

Darren: 00:08:40

I know.

Paul: 00:08:41

I still. I still say that to my mate, who, me and him, like, grew up on all that stuff.

And I'm like, can you still believe they actually finally said, oh, all this exists? And everyone went, yeah, all right. Yeah, still going to pay my electricity bill lowers.

Darren: 00:08:52

Right. Apparently they've got the base in Antarctica or whatever. But. Yeah, okay.

Paul: 00:08:58

But whether they're angels, gods, whatever, I'm.

Darren: 00:09:01

Sure more powerful than humans, certainly. Whether that's a God or an angel.

Paul: 00:09:04

And the big twist, obviously, is Charlie's Theron used to know him. And somehow they get drawn back together all the time. And when they get together, they go wrong. Yeah.

Marc: 00:09:12

Because they die, basically.

Paul: 00:09:13

Yeah.

Darren: 00:09:13

They become mortal.

Paul: 00:09:14

Mortal instead of immortal.

Marc: 00:09:16

Yeah.

Paul: 00:09:16

And that's this big twist. And, you know, for the first half of the movie, Charlie's Theron's kind of giving him looks.

Marc: 00:09:20

A big twist that. I wasn't expecting that.

Paul: 00:09:22

Yeah, I was going to say that because you haven't seen this before. I was.

Marc: 00:09:25

But I did think, like, she was looking at him.

Paul: 00:09:27

Yeah, she looked at him in a very strange way.

Marc: 00:09:29

Like, these guys slept together before. That's kind of what they're saying.

Paul: 00:09:31

Yeah, that's what I thought the first time I saw it, like.

Marc: 00:09:34

But then I was like, he isn't looking at her that way, but she's just looking at him that way. I'm like, what is going on here?

Paul: 00:09:38

And it all kind of gets revealed at this restaurant scene.

Marc: 00:09:41

Yeah.

Paul: 00:09:41

Which seems quite funny because everything's very grand and, you know, stuff smashing up. And then all of a sudden at this restaurant scene, it's like, no, no, that's when it first kind of gets revealed.

Marc: 00:09:50

I thought. No, it was when he's staying at their house kitchen and.

Paul: 00:09:54

Sorry.

Marc: 00:09:54

And then she, like, throws him across the room and he's like, what the fuck?

Paul: 00:09:57

That's right. Sorry, I meant it sort of explained a bit in that scene. Restaurant, isn't it? But, yeah, that.

And I remember watching it this time being like, how are they going to explain this. Exactly. Oh, he sneezed like, okay, that's it. So it's very much a high concept movies, but what we missing. Is it about identity?

Is it about kind of immortality? It kind of flirts with some of these ideas but overall it's just more about.

Marc: 00:10:22

One of the biggest arcs is Hancock's reputation.

Paul: 00:10:24

Yeah.

Marc: 00:10:25

Because he doesn't give a shit about his reputation.

Paul: 00:10:27

No.

Marc: 00:10:27

Then he, then, then Jason Bateman's trying to build it back up. Then he's kind of like okay with it. But by the end he does care what people think.

Paul: 00:10:34

And there's a try bit of friendship in that as well. Isn't that because he does, he does that thing for Jason Bateman on the moon at the end of it.

Marc: 00:10:41

Also, when he persuades him to do something the right way, he then realizes, oh yeah, it's nicer to be nice. Yeah, it's exhausting being hated by him. It really is exhausting. And being an asshole all the time.

Darren: 00:10:52

Yeah.

Paul: 00:10:52

Because then there's the bit that's where he's with all the cops. He's like, good job, good job. And he's trying to be more positive.

Marc: 00:11:00

Yeah.

Paul: 00:11:01

But no, I don't think there's much beyond that to miss. What do you think, Darren? It's a redemption arc, obviously. Yeah.

Darren: 00:11:07

I think it's also about the idea of happiness. How do you be happy? Like he's basically an immortal superhero. What? And you can't be happy? And it kind of shows again how complex mental health is.

It's taken. Because he could maybe. This is also a boy girl divide. He's like, I've got no one to love. Life sucks, I'm going to drink and just smash stuff up.

Whereas Charlie's theon is like, oh, I'm going to go see if I can find love and integrate myself with these.

Marc: 00:11:30

Just trying to live like a normal life.

Darren: 00:11:31

Live a normal life and feel emotions and stuff.

Marc: 00:11:33

And they get a job and she ultimately is happy.

Darren: 00:11:36

Yeah, exactly.

Paul: 00:11:37

I never thought of it that way, but that's a real. Yeah, that's a really good comparison there.

Marc: 00:11:41

Yeah, that's a very good. What did you miss?

Darren: 00:11:43

But then. But he is a. I mean he is a scumbag.

There's a bit at the beginning where like the kids waking him up and then he takes like a cat swipe at a girl who's walking past to slap her bum.

I'm like, you're literally like a God level superhero and you're going to sexually assort a girl who walks past a Woman who walks past, like, yeah, it.

Marc: 00:12:01

Feels like we're catching this journey right at the bottom. Like it can't get much worse than it is now.

Paul: 00:12:06

And the film told you this multiple times, that he's an. And I kept writing down. I get it.

Marc: 00:12:12

It's an.

Darren: 00:12:13

There's also a bit where Jason Bateman keeps saying, oh, is it hot? Is the heating on? He said it, I think, two or three times.

And it's only when Charlie's Theon and Will Smith went in the room together, like their presence was generating heat.

Marc: 00:12:28

Hey, that's good. Yeah, very good.

Darren: 00:12:32

And then this is just a silly thing. It's like. Well, two things. At the beginning, he goes home with a woman to his trailer, because that's where. Why wouldn't he live there?

He's got generational wealth, probably. He may not remember who he is, but surely he remembers his bank account, account number and the bank card.

Marc: 00:12:50

No, he was. No, he was. He was. He was in the hospital. He had nothing but something, a couple of bits in his pocket.

Darren: 00:12:54

That's why I think Charlie's Theorem wasn't that gutted about the house, because she'd have Egyptian cash stashed somewhere. She's a gold in doubloons and things.

Paul: 00:13:02

See, maybe that's the film we wanted to see.

Darren: 00:13:04

Yeah, I want to see a prequel to this. Yeah, there's.

So there's a bit where there's a woman who takes home, and at some point she takes a phone call and she's like, no, I haven't seen it yet. And then hangs up like she's a spy or she's there to get some dirt. But then it's never followed up on. Like, there wasn't.

Like, maybe there was some deleted. Because it's only a short film. It's 90 minutes. So there could be 20 minutes of deleted footage or something.

Paul: 00:13:30

Well, there's an extended version. Yeah. And the theatrical version.

Marc: 00:13:34

There's also a Hancock, too.

Darren: 00:13:37

Post production, pitching it.

Paul: 00:13:38

I think it's pretty okay. I don't think they filmed it yet.

Darren: 00:13:41

Then there's so the reason. So he's about to have sex with her, and he's like, look, when I'm about to come, you better get off me.

Because what he's basically saying is, I'm gonna come like a shotgun straight through your back.

Which is a line from Morritz, because Jason Lee's character as Brody talks about the intricacies of comic lore and says that Lois Lane and Superman should never be together. He needs to be Together with Wonder Woman. Because if Superman gets a tan, come like a shotgun through Lois's back.

Marc: 00:14:15

Oh, my God.

Darren: 00:14:16

But this is the. The, like they've taken that idea and they've put it into a movie and be like, yeah, if you were a superhero, that was what would happen.

Paul: 00:14:23

I'm looking at you confused. So where did you watch this?

Darren: 00:14:26

Where? Yeah, online.

Paul: 00:14:29

So that scene you're describing with the woman, I think is in the extended cut of it.

Darren: 00:14:33

I did. I was extended.

Marc: 00:14:34

Yeah. I didn't see that.

Paul: 00:14:35

Yeah.

Darren: 00:14:36

What happened at the beginning with you?

Paul: 00:14:39

That doesn't happen. He just goes back from the place. He doesn't take.

Darren: 00:14:42

Doesn't take the girl back home.

Paul: 00:14:43

No. So I looked up because I thought this might happen. I thought it'd be me, though. He's watched the wrong one.

Not the wrong one because there's two versions. But I've got the Blu ray, so it's got both versions. So I looked up what the differences was and one of the differences was that scene.

Darren: 00:14:56

Ah, okay.

Paul: 00:14:57

And then some of the other stuff's just. It's.

Marc: 00:14:59

Yeah, I watched on Netflix. There's a bit more that wasn't in.

Paul: 00:15:01

Yeah, there's a bit more in the cells and there's a bit more.

Darren: 00:15:03

That's a shame. It's only a short movie anyway. And I thought that that was fun. That also actually I think that would play now in this post war boy is world.

Marc: 00:15:15

Yeah.

Darren: 00:15:15

But in: 2008

Paul: 00:15:20

So here you go. So the unrated extended version of Hancock is about 10 minutes longer than theatrical cut, so running at 102 instead of 92.

Darren: 00:15:28

Okay.

Paul: 00:15:29

So the extended opening hookup.

The most prominent addition is an extended raunchier sequence earlier in the film where Hancock brings a woman to his home from a bar, featuring a stronger sexual humor and innuendo that was trimmed from a PG13. So. Be interesting to see what the listing then.

Marc: 00:15:42

Probably.

Paul: 00:15:43

Yeah. But that was cut out. So that's interesting because I thought, oh, I better watch the theatrical one because.

Darren: 00:15:47

That'll be the one I always go. Since I watched Kingdom of Heaven the other day, my opinion on director's cut is peak high.

Paul: 00:15:54

Yeah, so, yeah, well, I normally would watch the extended one, but.

Darren: 00:15:58

Nice.

Paul: 00:15:58

Yeah, so that's interesting. And then the only difference is there's more profanity in. In the dialogue and stuff with the longer one and expanded character moments.

Darren: 00:16:05

I think the Hancock is without a doubt like an adult story. They don't make a PG13 version of this. Now like it's.

Marc: 00:16:12

You're doesn't need to be.

Darren: 00:16:14

You're taming it. You're putting a leash on it.

Paul: 00:16:16

Well, they scrapped an R rated version of the script. So it sounds like it started off as more of a Deadpool and excited.

Darren: 00:16:21

It's a pre Deadpool thing, right? It's like you guys got it wrong.

Paul: 00:16:25

Yeah.

Darren: 00:16:25

You know, you like lean into, make it different, make it darker. Right?

Marc: 00:16:31

Yeah.

Darren: 00:16:31

Like he throws that kid in the sky. Would be funny if he didn't catch him.

Marc: 00:16:35

No, he just never came back.

Darren: 00:16:36

Yeah.

Marc: 00:16:42

Or just floated into space.

Darren: 00:16:43

You just see him be like, oh. And he runs back, catches him.

Paul: 00:16:46

I'm going to jump into a fact of the day early. But it's exactly on point. It's exactly on point what Darren's saying. So the original screenplay was much darker.

So apart from being a low life, Hancock was supposedly sexually frustrated because he couldn't have sex with a woman without killing her. And the MPAA actually cleared a seam involving Hancock's explosive orgasm.

But it was removed from the final cut because a test audience didn't find it funny.

Darren: 00:17:12

In middle America.

Marc: 00:17:14

This is like a scene that you were supposed to find funny.

Darren: 00:17:16

It was kind of funny. Like it literally goes through the roof of the trailer.

Paul: 00:17:22

Yeah, I think I've watched that version before. Yeah. Yeah. But the tone was light considerably for a summer release aimed at a wider audience. So they gave the film an hour.

They gave the film an hour twice before language and violence cuts resulted in the eventual PG13 version that Wheeler was. So there you go. Sorry.

Darren: 00:17:40

Other than that, there's a little bit of, just a little bit fun, particularly in the world we're in now. Like post Covid Big Pharma kind of response.

Like Jason Bateman's character basically wants to sign up the pharmaceutical companies to agree or other companies to give away stuff that people need for free because they can afford it. Because they can afford it and to profit on other stuff. And they're like, well, no, we're not, we're not going to do that. Like that's.

Marc: 00:18:03

Yeah.

Darren: 00:18:03

Like it stuns me that in America, like you have to pay for diabetes medicine. Like, yeah, like they're going to die without that. Like, what are you, what are you doing?

Paul: 00:18:12

Terrifying.

Darren: 00:18:13

It is terrifying. And so, yeah, that was. And then I think I just. The same frustration that I always get.

It's interesting that I've seen with the police in this country that if they're doing like a high speed chase and it gets into a populated area, they pull off, don't they? Yeah, because they're like, no, they've been.

Marc: 00:18:30

Told to stand down. Too dangerous.

Darren: 00:18:31

It's too dangerous. And I think that scene. Do you know the big shootout in the movie Heat? Yeah, Same thing there. I'm like, stop shooting at the bad guys.

They're messing the city up. Like, let this just money. Let them go. You know, they're good at what they do. The banks are insured.

Paul: 00:18:47

But that version of Heat wouldn't be as exciting.

Darren: 00:18:50

That's. That's true. But. Yeah, but when he's, like, trying to save people, but he's trashing everything. I'm just.

You just did, like £9 million worth of damage or $9 million worth of.

Paul: 00:18:59

Damage, you know, and you don't give a.

Marc: 00:19:01

Doesn't care about the consequences.

Darren: 00:19:02

Yeah. Yeah, totally. They could fly to another. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. So that's all I've really got in it, I think.

Paul: 00:19:10

Oh. I've got one that Darren might like. So the twist about the two gods, superheroes, whatever you want to call them. Angels. I'm confused now.

Marc: 00:19:19

Are the aliens superheroes?

Paul: 00:19:20

Superheroes. The twist of them not being able to be together because then obviously, the kind of curse to be mortal and all this kind of thing.

It reminded me a little bit of Lady Hawk.

Darren: 00:19:29

Oh, my God.

Paul: 00:19:30

I thought you'd like that.

Darren: 00:19:31

I do. You've got the.

Marc: 00:19:33

No idea what that is.

Darren: 00:19:33

You get the horn salute right now.

Paul: 00:19:36

I wrote it down in capital because I'm like, I must. I must get that in. Yeah. We won't go into it too much because we don't want to spoil that Richard Donner movie.

Darren: 00:19:44

Beautiful cinematography.

Paul: 00:19:45

Yeah. Yeah.

Darren: 00:19:45

Michelle Pfeiffer.

Paul: 00:19:46

It's barely ever on streaming, but we'll keep a lookout for it so we can.

Marc: 00:19:50

Cool.

Paul: 00:19:50

Put that one in. But there's kind of a similar thing where can't be together at the same time.

Darren: 00:19:54

Yeah, yeah.

Marc: 00:19:56

Anything else I want to miss?

Darren: 00:19:57

Just that there's. I feel like it's about to future throwback because Hancock is a boy child who doesn't like it if you call him an asshole. And.

Marc: 00:20:07

Or now there's a Charlie's. If you call her crazy or whatever, don't come.

Darren: 00:20:11

We crazy. It's like. Oh, come on. Like, the worst thing about Martin McFly is like, grow up. Stop. Like, did you call me chicken? Grow up.

But he does Miami Flags up, so I'm here for that, but I'm not gonna race that. Yeah, exactly. Right?

Paul: 00:20:25

Yeah. It goes backwards.

Darren: 00:20:26

It's like, dude, You're a God level human and you're an. So you don't record an maybe stop being.

Paul: 00:20:33

And yet the after credit sequence, normally on these things they learn, don't they? But there's an after credit sequence where the guy who he's arresting or whatever or is in his face calls him an asshole again.

And it kind of leaves with Will Smith looking at him going, did you just call me it? And I'm thinking, did he learn anything then?

Darren: 00:20:51

Right. Learnt nothing. Oh the only. I mean it's not a big thing, but it's directed by a guy called.

Marc: 00:20:56

Peter Berg who is wondering what else has he done?

Darren: 00:21:00

Not much. He's working on Hancock 2 at the moment. He did Lone Survivor, which is a movie about a lone survivor.

Paul: 00:21:07

Battleship.

Darren: 00:21:08

He did Battleship as well. And what was interesting is Battleship is a movie that is based on the board game.

Paul: 00:21:15

Yep.

Darren: 00:21:16

And I think it's wonderful. I think it's a really, really, really fun film and it didn't do anywhere near as well as Hancock.

And I saw Peter Berg saying that he underestimated the need for a star in Battleship because he had no equivalent of Will Smith. I don't think that's the case. I just think he, he cast somebody unbelievably bland in Battleship and he could have cast almost anyone else.

Paul: 00:21:39

It does amaze me how little Liam Neeson is in Battleship considering he is like the lead title actor's name in that. Oh, is it the guy who played Giancar?

Darren: 00:21:48

Yeah, it's basically there was a period in Hollywood where they started to just pick guys who are like seen as traditionally handsome and try and give them careers. And Sam Worthington was another one. Like he was just suddenly thrown into stuff like who's this guy?

Because they don't understand that beauty is not beautiful. Does that make sense?

Paul: 00:22:05

Yeah.

Darren: 00:22:06

Like you need something like this. You're not symmetrical. Like Brad Pitt, if you look at him isn't actually like that attractive.

But the whole is way more fit than the sum of his parts is.

Paul: 00:22:17

The listeners write in emails angrily.

Darren: 00:22:19

Right now his face is kind of wonky. Have you seen those? Kind of like there's a thing where they make, they make Brad Pitt's face symmetrical and it doesn't not look attractive anymore.

Paul: 00:22:28

Oh, interesting.

Darren: 00:22:29

Well, like Ryan Gosling is kind of quirky. Like you need something, you need flaws, imperfection. Imperfections make people nice, you know?

Marc: 00:22:34

Yeah.

Darren: 00:22:34

And I mean you go back back in the day and it's like Gene Hackman and Humphrey Bogart and stuff like these Guys had something. And so, you know, that guy and Sam Worthington, they just don't really have that thing.

Paul: 00:22:44

But you heard here first Brad Pitt. That don't impress Darren much.

Darren: 00:22:50

But Pete Burgers, he's also in a couple of episodes of Studio. Quite a lot of them, actually.

Paul: 00:22:54

Is he.

Darren: 00:22:54

Which is a TV show about the behind the scenes.

Marc: 00:22:57

Seth Rogen. Sorry.

Darren: 00:22:58

Yes.

Marc: 00:22:59

Yeah. And Catherine Hara.

Darren: 00:23:00

Yeah, she's great in it. Scorsese rocks up.

Marc: 00:23:03

Yeah. Anything I picked up on was this movie almost feels like two different halves. Like the two and a half feel like different movies.

That's what I'm trying to say.

Paul: 00:23:12

Yeah.

Marc: 00:23:13

Like it's a total. He has a total different perspective and a mission in the second half. Then.

The first half is just about him trying to put it back together, basically. Then it suddenly gets a bit of a purpose and like a mission sort of thing.

Paul: 00:23:24

And there's no real big baddie in it. So superhero films, like, we talk about rom coms having the quirky best friend. Superheroes normally always have a big bad.

Marc: 00:23:34

That might be a fear in the second one.

Paul: 00:23:37

Well, potentially we don't. It could be.

Marc: 00:23:39

Would that be the predictable route?

Paul: 00:23:41

I heard that he was trying to.

Marc: 00:23:42

Keep it more unpredictable and unconventional and do something different.

Paul: 00:23:45

Maybe that's what they'll try because that's what they were probably trying with this one.

Marc: 00:23:48

Yeah.

Paul: 00:23:48

So maybe. But, yeah, there's no real big Bad. Apart from the criminals who go after him. But, yeah, they're not that threatening.

Darren: 00:23:54

It's not like no superpowers.

Paul: 00:23:56

No.

Darren: 00:23:57

They just think, oh, you're in prison with us now. You're outnumbered. God. Oh, no. Whatever. It's a superpowered human going to do.

Paul: 00:24:05

Oh, I'm going to shove your head up his ass.

Darren: 00:24:08

Is the equivalent. Is the true equivalent of the Rorschach kind of line. It's like, I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me.

Marc: 00:24:15

It's okay. Thank you, gentlemen. That takes us on to Paul's facts of the day.

Paul: 00:24:21

Okay, let's whirl through some of these. Quick. So Screenplay Darker. We did all that one. Will Smith is a native of Philadelphia, home of the Philadelphia Eagles.

plica of the Eagles logo from: 1948

Marc: 00:24:35

West Philadelphia, born and raised. On the playgrounds where I spent most of my days.

Paul: 00:24:39

That's why I did that fact, because we wanted to hear the Fresh Prince there. Yeah, yeah. The original title was Tonight He Comes. That's that's what the original title was.

The script, which floated around in Hollywood for over a decade, was later retitled John Hancock, then finally retitled Hancock.

Marc: 00:24:59

That's almost as bad as Back to the future's original title was like Aliens from Mars or something.

Darren: 00:25:04

Yeah, yeah, it was. No, that's, that's that scene. Tonight he comes. Feels like it should be the tagline for like bad Santa or something.

Marc: 00:25:16

Weird.

Paul: 00:25:16

I know, I know. During Ray's PR first PR meeting, various Hollywood producers play the board members.

The group includes Akiva Goldsmith and Michael Mann, who have directed Will Smith or produce movies starring him. Well, Michael Mann produced this one.

Darren: 00:25:31

I think he directed Collateral, right?

Paul: 00:25:33

Yeah.

Marc: 00:25:34

Yes. Phenomenal movie.

Paul: 00:25:37

And we did a podcast on it.

Darren: 00:25:39

Nice. Hopefully I graded it highly.

Paul: 00:25:42

I don't know. I can't remember.

Darren: 00:25:43

Who knows how I was feeling?

Paul: 00:25:45

Who knows how you're feeling that day? Will Smith is a huge fan of professional wrestling. He describes Hancock as Steve Austin, one of his favorite wrestlers, but with superpowers.

The movie was shown at a US military base in the Middle east for a week before it opened in the.

Darren: 00:25:59

U.S. the screening was Soldier's Gone Through Enough.

Paul: 00:26:05

It was free though, Darren, to all. All US military personnel on the base.

Darren: 00:26:10

So they were won into battle.

Paul: 00:26:14

led out of the project in May: 2006

ent to work on I AM legend in: 2007

It's one of them things, isn't it? Just seems to shift about with some films. It just gets passed around.

I mean, it sounds like the script was in Hollywood for a decade before it even got anywhere near anything. Peter Berg said he did the movie for his young son because he was editing a film called the Kingdom. Jennifer Garrett.

That was: 2007

And in the DVD extras, Michael Mann was actually going to direct the movie at one point, but he felt he wasn't right because of all the CGI in sets and stuff. So he suggested Berg.

Darren: 00:27:21

Is it based on a comic?

Paul: 00:27:22

No, I don't think so. He just fancied doing A comic book movie for his kid.

Darren: 00:27:26

I think so. Do you think? I'm just curious about the casting. Like, obviously Will Smith's African American. Do you think that was in the script?

Paul: 00:27:35

I think they just saw. This isn't from what I'm reading here, but this is from what I got from the documentary stuff because I watched.

Darren: 00:27:41

Yeah.

Paul: 00:27:41

n time, remember listeners at: 2008

Marc: 00:27:54

Was I am legend.

Paul: 00:27:55

Yeah. But at the time, his kind of Persona was. He was this likable. What we said in the nutshell, he's this likable guy.

So they thought if we get Will Smith, even if he's a big ass character for him. Yeah. But even if he is a big, you know, people still like. It's Will Smith, though.

Darren: 00:28:10

It's also just like a black superhero, which.

Paul: 00:28:12

Yes.

Darren: 00:28:13

You know, But I'm curious as to why it was going around because you think you could put this in the same vein as Blade and Blade was a huge freaking hit.

Paul: 00:28:21

Yeah. Yeah. Well, Dave Chappelle was seriously considered for the lead as well at one point.

Darren: 00:28:25

Dave Chappelle. I love Dave Chappelle, but you can't.

Paul: 00:28:28

See him as this. No.

Marc: 00:28:29

Not acting. No. Going back to collateral, Darren, you gave it a six.

Darren: 00:28:33

Okay.

Marc: 00:28:34

You gave it seven. Paul and I gave it an eight. 21.

Darren: 00:28:37

I wonder why I gave it a six.

Paul: 00:28:38

You didn't like it that day.

Darren: 00:28:40

Not that day. Do you think it's beautiful? No movies look like that anymore. Because I think all the street lights.

Paul: 00:28:47

You did mention that at the time. And then you gave it like lower than we thought you're going to give us.

Marc: 00:28:51

Yeah.

Paul: 00:28:53

wide after the Incredibles in: 2004

Darren: 00:29:07

Yeah. And it's Will Smith who, like, we don't. We talked about this before. We don't really have movie stars anymore.

Like Tarantino says this, so, you know, whatever. But we have. We like the actors, so we love Chris Hemsworth as like Thor and Chris Evans as Captain America, but they can't guarantee an opening.

Like: 2008

Marc: 00:29:31

Yeah.

Darren: 00:29:32

It's only really. I mean, Tom Cruise isn't even A total given now, like he is. If it's Mission Impossible, if it's like an IP that we know. But it's. Why.

Marc: 00:29:41

What was the last, other than big franchise that Tom Cruise did? Like he did an individual like Rain man or something that quirky that actually did well.

Darren: 00:29:48

Why people like Sylvester Sloan go back to, like, Rambo or Rocky? Because it's those characters we like. The actors, not so much.

Paul: 00:29:55

Yeah, see, Tom Cruise is going back to a more artistic one on his next ones called Digger or something. And it's very much him doing more of an artist, arty thing. So Will Smith's. This is Will Smith's feeding off what you've just said.

5Th highest grossing film worldwide.

Marc: 00:30:10

Man in Black's got to be in there.

Paul: 00:30:12

Yeah. No. Oh, so the others are. Smith, Aladdin, Independence Day.

Marc: 00:30:18

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Paul: 00:30:19

Go on. Two more.

Marc: 00:30:21

Is this the top 10 quiz again? No, Will Smith.

Paul: 00:30:26

I'm gonna. I don't think you'll get them. So one of them's many black three. Oh, so you were halfway there. But I. I'd have thought the original had been higher.

Three was more.

Marc: 00:30:35

Okay.

Paul: 00:30:35

And then Suicide Squad in 16 is up there.

Darren: 00:30:38

Second one's better.

Paul: 00:30:39

I know. You always said that. That's what I thought.

Marc: 00:30:41

Okay.

Darren: 00:30:42

Interesting travesty.

Paul: 00:30:45

Anyway, they had some fun bits, but. Yeah, I agree. The second. But this was Will Smith's sixth consecutive film to gross over 100 million domestically.

But it's interesting with Will Smith now, if he is thinking of revisiting the other characters because of the slap. It's that thing, isn't it?

Darren: 00:31:04

Bad boys. You want to be bad boys again.

Marc: 00:31:06

The best thing you can do is just start doing movies again. Good movies.

Darren: 00:31:08

Yeah.

Marc: 00:31:08

And people soon forget. Like, it's something. It's something that involves, like, just separate the artist from the art and just enjoy it.

Paul: 00:31:16

But it's interesting how they. They kind of cut them off these days, don't they?

Marc: 00:31:20

I don't care if he does a good movie. I'll enjoy it. Like, I like movies more than I like drama, so. But there you go.

Paul: 00:31:25

There's some facts.

Marc: 00:31:26

Thank you very much, Paul. Okay, let's move on to hate it or rate it. I'm gonna go to Paul first.

Paul: 00:31:36

I struggle with this one.

Darren: 00:31:38

Okay. It feels like the noise. This sound like you're struggling with a particularly tricky poop.

Paul: 00:31:43

Yeah, well, just because it's what we've described, it feels like it doesn't quite know what it wants to be. Is it a daft comedy? Oh, no, it's a superhero film. Oh, no. It's got moments of levity now. Levity now. And it's quite serious. And. Oh, you know.

And then it's back to comedy again. Like, one scene, he's shoving up some guy's head up the ass, which is straight out of the hangover or something like that.

And then the next scene, it's like some kind of big building explosion, like something out of superhero film. And then in the middle of it, you got this family drama.

Darren: 00:32:16

That's a horrible way to suffocate as well, I guess.

Marc: 00:32:18

So, yeah.

Paul: 00:32:20

You may be thinking about that too.

Darren: 00:32:22

Much to say that guy can't breathe.

Paul: 00:32:23

Oh, God. Let's move on from that. But. So it's. It's kind of a mesh. It's kind of a bit of a mess. But I do enjoy bits of it. So it always feels like. I feel.

I know where you're going with this one.

Marc: 00:32:37

Let him talk. Let him talk.

Paul: 00:32:38

I kind of like some of the bits I find funny. Some of the action scenes I find good. I like Charlize Theron in it, especially when she starts like.

I kind of like that twist because it changes it up at the same time. You're like, I feel like I'm watching a different movie now.

Darren: 00:32:53

What's she wearing? Sunglasses. When the tornadoes appear?

Paul: 00:32:56

No, she put them on after it.

Darren: 00:32:58

I think that was badass.

Marc: 00:32:59

Yeah.

Paul: 00:32:59

So I enjoy bits of that. I like Jason Bateman or Jerry o'. Connell.

Darren: 00:33:04

Are you strong like me? No, I'm stronger. Really? Yes.

Marc: 00:33:07

Yes.

Paul: 00:33:07

And then she's like, yeah. So, yeah, bits like that. I enjoyed that. So I was gonna give it. I'm gonna jump to the.

Just jump to the chase on it because then I can waffle on these things and you'll just edit me out anyway. But I was gonna give it, like, a real midpoint, 5 out of 10. Because it was kind of a mixed bag.

Then I stupidly, obviously, as I've said, watch the documentary bit about it. And they're all working so hard to make this the greatest film ever. Like. Like, you've got John, except the crew.

Darren: 00:33:33

On velocipaster are trying to make the film.

Paul: 00:33:36

I know, I know. So I didn't. So John Dykstra is on there, and he's talking about how complicated the effects are. And he's kind of a legend of the game.

zing how much work gone in in: 2008

I'm like, yeah, they're throwing everything at this.

And then you've got Pete Bergon who seems a really nice guy going like, you know, I just wanted to make about the characters, but it said it in this world. And then you've got all the actors, Charlie's Theron's on there and she's so excited about the script.

She's like, oh, it's just so different and this and that. So by the time I'd watched all that, I think I did this last time I watched it as well.

I had this new appreciation for what I just watched and felt like whenever.

Darren: 00:34:18

You go above 5 now I'm going to take off mine.

Marc: 00:34:22

No, no, let's not do that.

Paul: 00:34:23

That's me. You can mean that's corruption.

Marc: 00:34:27

That is.

Paul: 00:34:27

That is corruption. So I'm gonna give it a five point. He's looking.

Marc: 00:34:31

What? I thought that's what you said it mid point.

Paul: 00:34:33

No, I was gonna give it. Which is 5.5, 5.7.

Marc: 00:34:36

Oh, so it made. You got 0.2.

Paul: 00:34:39

No, I gave it a five.

Marc: 00:34:40

Oh, I thought you said mid 0.5. That's what I said.

Paul: 00:34:43

I still don't think it's quite. Is this. No, I'm gonna give it six. It's enjoyable in places.

Marc: 00:34:47

Right.

Paul: 00:34:48

And after watching the documentary and realizing that for its time.

Darren: 00:34:53

They got paid for it, you know, they. They made his money.

Paul: 00:34:57

Oh, I guess. But I feel it doesn't deserve a five. I feel there's more in it.

Marc: 00:35:01

That's fine, whatever you think, because whatever. Don't listen to him, okay.

Paul: 00:35:05

He's gonna rate it horrendous.

Marc: 00:35:07

I can't speak is now. Okay, go Mr. Horn.

Darren: 00:35:10

I actually agree with everything that Paul said. I think it's a jumble of what, what it wants to be. I get the sense.

It's interesting that you said a director left through creative differences because it does feel like studio interference in this and Peter Berg's not name to fight back against his studio. I don't think.

Paul: 00:35:26

Well, it also, like we said in the other bit, it sounds like it was going to be an ah, Deadpool esque thing and then they've stripped all that away and what we're left with is kind of this Deadpool light kind of mishmash of stuff.

Darren: 00:35:38

You know, I think Battleship is a great film. I think it's an underrated film. People overlook it because they think it's going to be dumb. And I think it's Beautiful. It makes me cry all the time.

I think it's really good fun and genuinely exciting. You know, I used to drink and then watch scenes or movies, and it would always be a scene from Battleship. It just phenomenal.

this, though. I think this in: 2008

And I think it's understandable that it did so well now in, like, a post boys world, post MCU world, where you've got tons of characters like this. It's not novel. It's not kind of clever. I don't think he's likable enough. And the switch like him. So he's a.

A drunken, like, homeless person for however long a decade or whatever. And then he meets a PR man who says, oh, you should clean up your act. He's like, okay.

Paul: 00:36:26

It is very swift.

Darren: 00:36:29

Oh, you want me to wear a suit? I don't like it. Oh, you should wear it anyway. Okay. You should go to prison to, like, pay for your crimes. All right. Okay, I will.

Paul: 00:36:37

Yeah. There is a lot of. Because script says.

Darren: 00:36:39

Yeah, why to do it. And also, why are you living rough on the streets of, like, New York or wherever this is? Why aren't you in Hawaii surfing, like, you're a superhero.

Go wherever you want. Go swim with dolphins. Like, what are you doing?

Paul: 00:36:52

I can feel my grade fluctuating in my head as he's speaking.

Marc: 00:36:55

Like, oh, yeah, it's too late now.

Darren: 00:36:56

So, yeah, it's a post Deadpool as well. Like, it's just.

It struggles because it was probably almost ahead of its time kind of testing the waters and other, like, you know, other movies, other directors, other actors were taking that bat and run with it. And we. We know that the hardship. They had to get Deadpool made, even, you know, like, well, if they'd made.

Paul: 00:37:17

This a harder, the question would have been, is that a bigger gang? But for Hollywood, probably they wanted it as this family summer movie or this teen flick. So I get it.

Darren: 00:37:25

The bad guy is freaking ridiculous. It's absolutely stupid. I also, I've talked about this before. I don't like the over, like, uglification of bad guys. It's an outdated thing to do.

So to give him, like, a claw hand, it's like, oh, he's got a claw hand. He must be evil. He's like, let's not do that. That. Let's. Let's move away from that as a trope. I mean, you could have just bandaged it up or something.

Like, you know, it's just. It's Just lazy.

Paul: 00:37:47

I mean, he was evil before the claw hand, but I know what you mean.

Darren: 00:37:49

Also, yeah, it also.

It seems like the punishment doesn't suit the crime a lot of the time to what he's doing to people, he's like, yeah, great power comes, great responsibility. Go watch Spider Man Hancock. Learn how to be a superhero. So, yeah, I didn't enjoy it almost at all.

There wasn't even any core music to kind of sedate myself to. So Charlize Theon. I'd love seeing her in anything. I really would like her to work much more. But other than that, it's just a huge big drag factor.

So 90 minutes felt like longer. 2.5.

Paul: 00:38:23

And it will have been longer because you watched the extended film.

Darren: 00:38:25

I'm sure on the timeline it said 90 minutes because as I hit play. But maybe I was wrong.

Marc: 00:38:30

So that is me. I did enjoy this movie. I don't watch many superheroes, so I wasn't comparing it to.

Darren: 00:38:36

Yeah.

Marc: 00:38:36

You don't mean. Yeah, I hadn't seen many, so I did. I quite enjoyed it. I like. I actually liked the flip of the switch and it's like a different movie.

And the Revelation, obviously, she is as well. I like. I like Will Smith. I like his movies. It's a. It's a good premise. I think obviously it could have been done better.

There's definitely could have been fleshed out a bit more and maybe look at other movies that have done similar things or how could we made it more. Even more different than this? Like the backstory. I'm not sure we need. Even needed the backstory. I don't know if we needed.

I think it'd be better to just work on development him as a character. I think him putting his reputation back together could have been, like you said, it was a bit quick. It was a bit.

Paul: 00:39:11

Yeah.

Marc: 00:39:11

It was almost like we were filling time until we got to the bit where we had the twist.

Darren: 00:39:15

Show us that, like, open it in the hospital.

Marc: 00:39:18

Yeah.

Darren: 00:39:18

Of him having work. I'm like, who am I? Because then the mysteries with us. And then you can see. Show him learning that is superpowered and it's like a mystery.

And then you do like five years later and then it's just like homeless. Yeah.

Paul: 00:39:30

And to be honest, you could do that in an open credit montage thing.

Darren: 00:39:32

Absolutely. Watchman does kind of thing.

Paul: 00:39:34

Yeah.

Darren: 00:39:35

With a cool musical.

Marc: 00:39:36

Over the top.

Paul: 00:39:37

Yeah.

Marc: 00:39:37

Yeah.

Paul: 00:39:38

Or even. I'm just thinking now, they could have even done some flashback stuff to them in them other times.

Marc: 00:39:43

Yeah.

Paul: 00:39:44

Like you said. It could have been like, obviously the.

Marc: 00:39:46

Second one has taken any of that on board, where it goes. But, yeah, and I enjoyed some of it. Like, I. It was quite funny at some points.

I. I thought the action was fairly decent, like you're saying, for its time, it was pretty.

Paul: 00:39:56

Yeah, yeah.

Marc: 00:39:56

Pretty good. Yeah. Quite mid. So I'm gonna give it a 6.2.

Darren: 00:40:03

There's not a reality where this is better than Dog Soldiers.

Marc: 00:40:08

Yes. Oh, yes, there is. Oh, yes, there is.

Paul: 00:40:11

Thanks for your choice, Rob. We appreciate you.

Marc: 00:40:14

We hope we've enjoyed the kind of worms that you've opened.

Paul: 00:40:17

Yeah, this.

Darren: 00:40:18

This.

Paul: 00:40:18

This is going to continue.

Darren: 00:40:20

It is.

Paul: 00:40:20

You're gonna keep bringing that up, aren't you, as well?

Darren: 00:40:22

Yeah, I get hurt. Like, Empire Records was the first wound, but I said, no, I can let that go. Like, I'm. I'm. I'm an adult. I'm. I'm growing.

Paul: 00:40:28

Do you know how many wounds you've given us with some. I still run about it to people in the street who are. Who are strangers, like, it's overrated. Do you know Darren gave Jurassic Park a mid?

And they can't believe it, too.

Darren: 00:40:42

Darren, who are these imaginary friends that you're talking to randomly in the street?

Marc: 00:40:47

So that gives it 14.7, which puts it 68th out of 84.

Darren: 00:40:52

What's a 69?

Marc: 00:40:53

69. Subservience at 14.6, and then below that is the holiday at 14.3.

Darren: 00:40:59

I like subservience.

Marc: 00:41:00

well. It's just behind Zodiac: 2007

Darren: 00:41:10

Okay.

Paul: 00:41:10

Is that ASMR? Let's move on.

Darren: 00:41:14

Let's move on. Alrighty, then.

Marc: 00:41:17

Right.

Paul: 00:41:17

So.

Marc: 00:41:17

Yeah, that's what we thought. We'd love to know what you think. Send. Send your messages in and we'll read them out on the show. What episodes do you reckon would follow this?

hinking, like, The Spider Man: 2002

Paul: 00:41:27

Yeah. It's the easiest fit, I think I.

Marc: 00:41:29

Was thinking maybe the Matrix.

Paul: 00:41:30

Yeah, that's a good film. Have we done anymore? Oh, Superman.

Marc: 00:41:33

I was thinking about Neo until it was like, he just doesn't understand the world around him. I'm just kind of thinking. I couldn't think of anything else. What did you say?

Paul: 00:41:38

Superman? The: 2025

Marc: 00:41:41

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's anything. I couldn't think of anything else in our. That we'd seen. Go and check those out.

Have a look at the back catalog, see what tickles your fancy. That takes us into part Three, the lobby. So let's start with the inbox. So Ben Smith has messaged in.

He said just a follow up on a conversation on the podcast a few weeks ago about Hong Kong film. I think we were talking about like, we should like a.

Darren: 00:42:05

Yes, because you got, I think, what, two listeners in Hong Kong.

Marc: 00:42:08

Yes.

Darren: 00:42:08

So we want to do a shout out. We're trying to find a Jackie Chan movie that I want to watch.

Marc: 00:42:12

He would like to recommend Election for you guys to watch. I don't know. I don't. I don't know what this in the.

Darren: 00:42:18

American movie or Hong Kong movie.

Marc: 00:42:20

I don't know because just to follow up on the conversation on the podcast last week about a Hong Kong film, I'd like to recommend Election for you guys to watch. It's currently not available anywhere, but if you get the chance, it's worth a watch. This one's towards you, Paul.

Kicking myself for getting rid of my DVD collection a few years ago. Damn it.

Paul: 00:42:36

Never get rid of the dv. Don't trust the streaming people. They will remove stuff.

Darren: 00:42:40

Well, you can replace it for about seven pound forty these days. Just go to a good charity shop. It's like ten for a quid.

Marc: 00:42:46

Yeah.

Paul: 00:42:47

Yes, it is.

Marc: 00:42:48

He lives in Cumbria now, Paul, so maybe you could take him under your wing and show him how to do it.

Paul: 00:42:51

Maybe I need an intervention though at this point.

Darren: 00:42:55

So you should do that on Sun. You should start like a lonely man's dvd Thrifting support club.

Paul: 00:43:00

I'm not lonely. I just like thrifting.

Darren: 00:43:03

No, the other lonely men would come.

Paul: 00:43:05

Oh, I see.

Marc: 00:43:05

Election is a: 2005

Hong Kong crime film directed by and produced by by Johnny To Film stars Simon Yam and Tony Liu Kangfai as two gang leaders engaged in a power struggle.

Darren: 00:43:19

There's a movie where Jackie Chan dresses up as Chun Li from Street Fighter and that's the one I want to.

Paul: 00:43:25

Watch, but I don't want to see.

Darren: 00:43:27

Or how I would. I've got. Yeah, I'll. I'll dig it out if it's available. That'll be fun.

Marc: 00:43:33

Next, we have a message for our comment on our socials from Matt Adamson about Spider Man. He said it was the first film I ever went to see by myself when I was 11. I had agreed to go a lot of friends, but they all bailed on me.

But I went anyway. I had a great time. I love that film.

Darren: 00:43:48

Yeah, you walk in the lonely path.

Marc: 00:43:49

Yeah.

Darren: 00:43:50

You don't need those Guys, tell me you cut them out your life.

Marc: 00:43:54

So thanks for the messages. That takes us on to this week's question of the week. And we've had an email. Hi, lads. Straight into it. Who is the best supporting character in a film?

Not necessarily the funniest or the most memorable, but someone who you think makes the entire film felt better just by being there. I've always thought Sam Wise in the Lord of the Rings is a brilliant example. Take him away and Frodo's journey becomes a very different story.

Interested to hear your choices. That's Cheers. And that's from Ron from Manchester.

Darren: 00:44:19

I think there's people who kind of eat up the scenery and steal it. Like Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder.

Paul: 00:44:26

That's a good call. Top Gun's not Top Gun without Goose.

Darren: 00:44:29

He's. Yeah. Pretty high up there.

Paul: 00:44:31

I guess you need, like, a wingman, don't you? Or you could say, actually a wingman. I'm gonna say the Bad Boys film is just so. Darren rolls his eyes. But you need both.

Marc: 00:44:39

Well, it's a buddy cop.

Paul: 00:44:40

Yeah. So any buddy cop movie, you need one with the other dog.

Darren: 00:44:44

They're equal. It's more like, say, Beverly Hills Cop. You could argue that. What's the guy called? Judge Reinholds. Yeah. Billy.

Paul: 00:44:49

Yeah.

Darren: 00:44:50

Is amazing.

Paul: 00:44:51

Yeah, That's a good one.

Darren: 00:44:52

Hudson in Aliens.

Paul: 00:44:53

Yeah.

Marc: 00:44:53

Oh, yeah.

Darren: 00:44:54

There's a lot of good actors in. In Aliens.

Paul: 00:44:57

Short round in Temple of Doom.

Marc: 00:44:58

Yeah.

Darren: 00:44:59

Solid.

Paul: 00:44:59

That's like his buddy, isn't it?

Marc: 00:45:01

Like a psychic or maybe like Alfred and Batman.

Paul: 00:45:03

So, like a background character rather than a psychic.

Darren: 00:45:06

That's the thing that's more interesting, is it when a background character just steals the scenes?

Paul: 00:45:10

Bill Nighy and.

Marc: 00:45:12

Yeah, about time.

Paul: 00:45:13

About time. On our last episode.

Darren: 00:45:14

Yeah.

Marc: 00:45:15

Cool. Well, we'll put it out there, see what people say. So this week's Question of the week. Best supporting character in a movie.

Or should we say best background character in a movie. Someone Was that more interesting?

Darren: 00:45:26

Yeah, yeah. Like, not one of the main two or three characters. So someone who's not in every scene, but when they rock up, they just steal everything.

Marc: 00:45:35

Oh, like someone who's not in a movie much, but they pretty much steal the show.

Darren: 00:45:38

Could you argue, like, Sheriff and not in him? And Princess. And Princess. Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.

Paul: 00:45:43

He does pretty much steal the semen.

Darren: 00:45:45

Yeah. He's not in. I don't think he's in it that much.

Paul: 00:45:48

No. But you feel like he is.

Marc: 00:45:50

Yeah. Background characters who steal the show.

Darren: 00:45:52

Yeah.

Marc: 00:45:52

Okay. I'll Make a note of that.

Darren: 00:45:54

Or at least they steal the show from the star.

Marc: 00:45:56

Yeah.

Darren: 00:45:57

Has our friend from America messaged since a guy from Arkansas?

Marc: 00:46:01

No, not yet. No.

Darren: 00:46:03

I don't know what he thinks of the Dog Soldiers episodes because we're doing cool accents in that one.

Marc: 00:46:07

Send us your questions and we'll pick out the best one for the next week. If you'd like yours to be the chosen one. Okay, that takes us on to next week's movie, which is Back to me.

Paul: 00:46:18

Back to you.

Darren: 00:46:20

To me. To you. To me.

Marc: 00:46:21

I mean, so that next week's episode, that's. That's going to be the beginning of September. Usually I have a firm choice, but I have changed my mind on this one many times.

But then I realized there's a movie that I was. That I saw when it came out. It was on the BBC because the BBC own it. It's like the BBC film studio. I don't know what that. What they're called.

Paul: 00:46:39

Okay.

Marc: 00:46:40

It's. Is anyone scared of heights?

Paul: 00:46:42

I'm not fond of them, but I'm not scared of them either.

Marc: 00:46:45

his movie is called fall from: 2022

Paul: 00:46:48

Oh, okay.

Marc: 00:46:49

You aware of it?

Darren: 00:46:50

Yeah, I've heard of it.

Marc: 00:46:51

Have you seen it?

Darren: 00:46:52

No, but I can. I can picture it. It's. Yeah. Like the COVID is somebody's climbed up a pole in the middle of a desert or something.

Marc: 00:46:59

Have you seen it?

Paul: 00:47:00

No.

Marc: 00:47:00

Had you heard of it?

Paul: 00:47:02

No.

Marc: 00:47:02

Okay, well, that's a rarity.

Paul: 00:47:04

No. How many years ago is this?

Marc: 00:47:06

Four years ago.

Paul: 00:47:08

Okay.

Marc: 00:47:08

2022.

Paul: 00:47:09

Okay. Missed this one.

Darren: 00:47:10

So, yeah, it sounds a bit vital. Makes you think it's autumn film.

Marc: 00:47:13

Yeah.

Paul: 00:47:14

In America.

Marc: 00:47:15

Yeah. Not here.

Darren: 00:47:17

Falling over, is it? Yeah. But is it a British film or an American film?

Marc: 00:47:21

It's American film.

Darren: 00:47:21

So call it Don't Fall.

Paul: 00:47:25

It sounds a bit like the ones where there was a film about to unbalance enough. The top of a skyscraper once with Joseph Gordon Levette. Or it sounds a bit like the one where someone gets stranded up the top of a mountain.

And I haven't seen this one. James Franco, is it. He gets his arms.

Darren: 00:47:40

127 Hours.

Paul: 00:47:41

Yeah, I haven't seen anything.

Marc: 00:47:43

One of the reasons I went back to this, because I've tried. I've meant to choose before, but it's not available. But now it's on. It's on the iplayer is because the second one's about to come out in September.

Darren: 00:47:52

So I guess they didn't fall then.

Marc: 00:47:54

Who knows? This could be different people falling. Who knows? So we could have.

This one's gonna come out at the beginning of the month and then we could have the cinema social for fall too.

Paul: 00:48:04

Ah, I see what you're doing there. So this would be after.

Marc: 00:48:07

We've never managed thing do that before. Like we missed the boat with Devil Wears Prada. Yes, we could have had that. Got the cinema. Boom, boom, boom.

Paul: 00:48:14

We were just out of sync with that.

Marc: 00:48:15

Yeah, those. We could have done it with Happy Gilmore last year.

Paul: 00:48:19

No, that didn't come out. The cinema did not. No, I just went to Netflix that one.

Marc: 00:48:23

Okay.

Paul: 00:48:24

Because I remember you floating that idea.

Marc: 00:48:26

Okay. Yeah, there's another couple of movies. We've missed the boat on that. But anyway, this will be the first one. We do it. See how it goes.

So next week's movie is fall.

Darren: 00:48:32

What number are we up to now?

Marc: 00:48:33

This. Next week's will be 85.

Darren: 00:48:38

You. We need to do something special for 100.

Marc: 00:48:40

gin the year. Yeah. It's only: 1552

Darren: 00:48:49

August, September, October. November might be right around Christmas.

Marc: 00:48:53

Yeah, let's come from Christmas extravaganza.

Paul: 00:48:56

Muppet Christmas Carol.

Darren: 00:48:57

Yeah, of course.

Marc: 00:48:57

Yeah.

Darren: 00:48:58

It'll just be. It'll just be like.

Marc: 00:48:59

Well, we started in January, so you would. It makes sense for the to reach that. But we've put our bonus episodes. But actual film.

Darren: 00:49:05

52 Weeks. Yeah.

Marc: 00:49:07

And we've never. We've never missed. Never ever missed yet. Hey, stop it. Okay, so that brings us to the end of the show. This is Mark saying goodbye.

Darren: 00:49:18

This is Darren saying goodbye for now.

Paul: 00:49:20

What do you want, a cookie? Get out of my face.

Marc: 00:49:22

That's why we remember that line.

Darren: 00:49:23

No, it feels racist for some reason, but I don't know why.

Paul: 00:49:27

It's when the kid comes up to him.

Marc: 00:49:29

Oh, yes.

Darren: 00:49:31

I think it was a guy. Gang signs. You're throwing.