Remember The Titans - In A Nutshell
Join Marc, Darren and Paul as they give you everything you need and more to help you decide to watch or re-watch.
Remember the Titans (2000)
PART 1 – The Nutshell – If you haven’t seen it
A spoiler-free breakdown designed to help you decide if this inspiring sports drama is your kind of film and worth your time.
We explore the film’s central idea around unity, leadership and what happens when individuals are forced to come together in a time of division.
We’ll give other movie comparisons plus tone, style and feel so you can quickly judge the type of viewing experience it offers — from emotional, character-driven storytelling to classic underdog sports movie energy.
By the end of Part 1, you will have made a decision!
PART 2 – The Unboxing – If you’ve seen it
What Did You Miss?
The things you missed, the details you didn't notice and the layers beneath the surface. This will make you want to watch it again.
The lads explore how the film uses sport as a backdrop for something much bigger — breaking down themes of leadership, identity, teamwork and community.
They also look at how relationships evolve both on and off the field, and how key moments away from the game are where the biggest shifts actually happen.
Paul’s Facts of the Day
Behind-the-scenes insights including:
• Real-life events that inspired the story and where the film differs
• Production decisions made to balance authenticity with storytelling
• Casting choices that helped shape the emotional impact
• On-set stories involving the real-life figures behind the film
• Subtle details and facts you might not have picked up on
Hate It or Rate It?
Marc, Darren & Paul submit their scores and Remember the Titans (2000) takes its place in the Legend League.
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Speaker B:Yes, exactly.
Speaker B:He went off in a strop.
Speaker B:Oh, the drama.
Speaker B:I couldn't believe it.
Speaker B:Couldn't believe what my eyes were seeing.
Speaker B:He'd be like, aha.
Speaker B:My mate is.
Speaker B:You're gonna join me as the Crimson Pirate.
Speaker B:We're gonna be sailing the Caribbean in a tale of lust and action and swordplay, adventure.
Speaker B:Yeah, okay, but Lancaster, I will come and watch this movie.
Speaker B:It will.
Speaker C:Hello and welcome to Movies in a Nutshell with me, Mark Farquhar, myself, Darren.
Speaker A:Horn and I, Paul Day.
Speaker C:Here's why you should tune in every week.
Speaker B:We help you make better movie choices on films you haven't seen with quick spoiler free breakdowns to help you decide if they're your kind of movie.
Speaker A:And we help you get more from the movies you have seen with things you missed and details you probably didn't know us.
Speaker C:Plus there's movie facts, trivia and behind the scenes stories.
Speaker A:There's also your chance to choose the movie.
Speaker C:So grab some popcorn and let's crack open this week's movie.
Speaker C:Here we are.
Speaker C: Titans from the year: Speaker C:This was a listener choice chosen by Pete Pemberton, friend of the show.
Speaker C:I had not even heard of this movie.
Speaker A:Remember the Titans?
Speaker C:Have you both seen it?
Speaker B:Yeah, I've seen it once back in the day.
Speaker A:I had not seen it, but I've heard of it.
Speaker C:Did you go out and buy it?
Speaker A:I already had it in one of my thrifting halls.
Speaker A:I've got a lot of Denzel Washington films that I've thrifted, so I was working through them.
Speaker A:Anyway, do you sort my alphabetical order or themed.
Speaker A:Okay, mood themed.
Speaker A:Alphabetical doesn't work for me.
Speaker B:You need to go autobiographical like.
Speaker B:Like in High Fidelity.
Speaker C:He has to go down.
Speaker C:He has to go down to the vaults.
Speaker C:He's got one of those ones where you need two keys to turn at the same time.
Speaker C:We are in part one, which is the nutshell where we break the movie down spoiler free to help you decide if remember the Titans is your kind of movie and if it's worth your time.
Speaker C:So how do we break this down for someone who hasn't seen it?
Speaker B: h it was during the period in: Speaker B:It's so weird talking about America, isn't it?
Speaker B:Like, wait, what Do I know about American football?
Speaker B:Very little.
Speaker B:And then it is the drama and the pressures of that combination and then a new coach being brought in who is an African American played by Denzel Washington, and what that does to a local community who are not quite ready to progress into a interracial society yet.
Speaker A:So we're very much seeing the racial issue, but through the lens of this football team.
Speaker A:And then like Darren says, it's how the community then reacts to this.
Speaker C:Is it just about football?
Speaker C:Is it just about race?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, you can throw some core things like there's a little bit of parenting in there and responsibilities of particularly fathers to their daughters and what it means to create a safe world for them.
Speaker B:There's a little bit of, you could argue, leadership and what it means.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Brotherhood, strength, teamwork, friendship, respect, family.
Speaker C:Part of a group that's bigger than some of its parts.
Speaker C:Individuals.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Managing ego would be another one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Working together rather than against each other.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So overall, I guess it becomes community.
Speaker A:Vin Diesel will be happy because it's about family.
Speaker C:So it feels like it's not just about race.
Speaker C:Feels like the race thing complicates it more simply.
Speaker C:It's more about togetherness, like a team brotherhood.
Speaker A:Competition as well.
Speaker A:Sports competition, how that drives people.
Speaker C:It's about standards and professionalism and hard work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And being something.
Speaker C:Being part of something that's bigger than.
Speaker C:It's bigger than you.
Speaker A:That's a good way of putting it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A: od piece because we're set in: Speaker A:I don't want to think about how many years ago that is now.
Speaker C:A lot of high racial tension at the time anyway, before.
Speaker C:Before trying to integrate a lot of people struggling to adjust to that.
Speaker C:But it's.
Speaker C:It's about what you can achieve if you work together, regardless of your.
Speaker C:Your race or your background or anything like that, isn't it?
Speaker A:And that snapshot in time of that and some of the facts of the day later on will show some of the differences between the true story and the movie version of it as well.
Speaker C:Kind of watches this, Darren?
Speaker B:I'm not sure really.
Speaker B:I think this is probably mainly a bit of a Friday night with a couple of beers kind of watch.
Speaker B:I think it's very similar to those feel good sports movies where you overcome the odds.
Speaker B:So it's very similar to someone say Rocky or Coach Carter, which is Sam Jackson, I think Miracle, which is Kurt Russell.
Speaker B:That's ice hockey.
Speaker B:And any given Sunday, which is Al Pacino, I think they've all got those awesome quality inspirational monologues as well.
Speaker A:Varsity Blues.
Speaker B:Oh, nice.
Speaker B:James Van Der Beek.
Speaker C:My meats is Rocky meets Dead Poet Society.
Speaker A:Yeah, that works.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which I haven't seen, but I looked it up and it was in.
Speaker C:It was in.
Speaker C:It was in the group of films that could be like in Associated, and it had reasons why.
Speaker A:So I've got one film that you haven't mentioned, which is one of my random.
Speaker A:It's nothing like this film, but which is Sister Act 2, back in the Habit, where we'll be.
Speaker C:Eyebrows are raised.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Well, it's very much about high school as well as football, as race.
Speaker A:It's very much a high school movie because when they're not on the pitch, it's almost got an American Graffiti kind of feel to it where it's all the high schoolers hanging out in some way reach.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:This is kind of like Twilight because they're in high school and there's these werewolves who don't like these vampires.
Speaker A:I didn't say Twilight.
Speaker A:I said Sister Act 2, back in the Habit.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But yeah, no, it's.
Speaker A:It's got a high school thread throughout as well.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker C:Let's move on to part two, the unboxing.
Speaker C:So spoiler territory ahead.
Speaker C:If you haven't seen Remember the Titans, and we've helped you decide you want to go watch it, pause.
Speaker C:Now go watch it and come back.
Speaker C:Because from this point forward, there will be spoilers.
Speaker C:In part two, we have what did you miss?
Speaker C:Where we will reveal things you may have missed, details you didn't even notice.
Speaker C:And even if you've seen the movie many times, Paul has his formidable facts of the day.
Speaker C:And then we round off with Hate it or Rate it, where we each give a brief opinion, score out of 10, and see where it lands on the Legend League.
Speaker C:So what did we miss?
Speaker C:I'm gonna go to you first, Darren.
Speaker B:Oh, I hate it when you do that because I've got nothing with this one.
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker A:He always finds something.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:Then I even did some research and I was like, yep.
Speaker B:I didn't think there was that much.
Speaker B:I've just got a curiosity, really.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm sure everyone did not miss.
Speaker B:Actually.
Speaker B:I bet someone did.
Speaker B:The cast that there is in this movie, like, the cast is phenomenal.
Speaker B:And it's even.
Speaker B:Even when you don't know that the household name, you'd recognize her faces.
Speaker B:And obviously there's Denzel Washington kind of in the in the starring role.
Speaker B:It's also got Will Patton, who was a narrator in Train Dreams, which is a movie we did recently.
Speaker B:Check it out.
Speaker B:He's also in the movie the Rock, which I love.
Speaker B:We've also got Hayden Panettiere.
Speaker B:Is that how you say her name?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's how you say it.
Speaker B:What do we know her from?
Speaker B:Was it Heroes?
Speaker A:Heroes.
Speaker A:She was the cheerleader.
Speaker A:Save the cheerleader, Save the world.
Speaker A:She's been in loads of stuff as well.
Speaker A:She was in her Bring It On Seque.
Speaker A:She was in.
Speaker B:She's nine and a half in this.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's really tiny, which is weird.
Speaker C:She's in the TV Coach's Daughter, who, like, that's right.
Speaker C:She's brilliant in this.
Speaker B:She is.
Speaker A:She was in loads of stuff.
Speaker A:She was in Ally McBeal when she was quite young.
Speaker A:In the last season of that, she was also in a TV show I watched called Nashville.
Speaker B:Oh, yes, she was.
Speaker A:She was the co lead in that.
Speaker C:When I was watching that, I was just hoping, when my daughter's 9, that we're at the football and she's like, come on.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:What's he doing.
Speaker B:Then?
Speaker B:You've also got Kate Bosworth, who was big kind of back during that period.
Speaker B:She was in a cool surfing movie called Blue Crush.
Speaker B:That's what it's called.
Speaker B:Which was a guilty pleasure of mine when it came out of the cinema.
Speaker B:But I was living in Devon at the time.
Speaker B:You got Donald Faison, I think you pronounced his name from Scrubs.
Speaker C:Scrubs.
Speaker A:Clueless.
Speaker B:You've got a ton of other guys as well, but the one that you may have missed is Ryan Gosling because it's a really small ish part.
Speaker A:One of his first big major roles.
Speaker C:He was 19, which was the same age as me when this movie came out.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:He's the same age as me.
Speaker B:I feel like we could have achieved more with our lives.
Speaker C:It was a small role.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was.
Speaker B:He really brings it.
Speaker B:He does, somehow.
Speaker B:He's kind of captivating and I don't know if it's because.
Speaker B:Oh, that's Ryan Gosling.
Speaker B:So I keep looking at it.
Speaker A:Because you're in love with Ryan Gosling.
Speaker B:Or is it just because he was that good?
Speaker B:And he was also more of an innocent character?
Speaker B:So, yeah, he was quite charming in it.
Speaker B:So, yeah, phenomenal.
Speaker B:And it's way more.
Speaker B:I mean, almost every actor, I think, went on to do something interesting or you'll recognize and be like, oh, he's from that thing.
Speaker B:Thing.
Speaker C:There's definitely a Few of them.
Speaker A:There's one that I've got that you might not noticed, which is one of the coach guys played a guy called Ghana in Baywatch.
Speaker B:Oh, dear.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:And he used to drive around on, like, the.
Speaker A:Yeah, the quad thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, yes, I know that, man.
Speaker C:Good recall.
Speaker B:You know the guy from All About Earl as well in, Isn't it?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, the big guy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker A:Did I just confess that I was a big Baywatch fan?
Speaker B:Oh, well, we were all Baywatch family first came out.
Speaker B:We were at an impressionable age.
Speaker C:Was it.
Speaker C:Was it mid-90s Baywatch?
Speaker C:Wasn't it?
Speaker A: s,: Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not that my Baywatch knowledge is that good.
Speaker C:Not that it's encyclopedic.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:But, yeah.
Speaker A:Shawnee Jill got eaten by a shark.
Speaker A:Spoilers.
Speaker B:There's also just a throwaway thing, which is probably personal to me, but at one point, Denzel Washington's given a speech and he's like.
Speaker B:Like, you know, trying to motivate them, and then he says something like, I will put my foot up your John Brown ass.
Speaker B:Do you remember that?
Speaker A:Bit vaguely, yeah.
Speaker B:And what's weird about that is John Brown has been coming up on my feed a lot, and I don't know why, but it's Ethan Hawke in a movie, I think, called John Brown.
Speaker B:Do you know who John Brown is?
Speaker B:No, no, I didn't really.
Speaker B:But John Brown was an abolitionist.
Speaker B:Is I say abolitionist?
Speaker A:You're looking at me.
Speaker A:I pronounce everything wrong.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:Abolitionist.
Speaker B:He's an abolitionist.
Speaker B: ke, an abolitionist in, like,: Speaker B:And I think when he was like, 12 or something, he befriended, like, a young African American boy who was a slave and was like, this is ridiculous.
Speaker B:They're, like, treating him really badly.
Speaker B:That's my friend.
Speaker B:And then became very religious and was like, slavery is a sin against God.
Speaker B:And then turned into.
Speaker B:From what I can tell from the trailer of John Brown with Ethan Hawke, which I'm not entirely sure is based entirely on truth.
Speaker B:An absolute badass gunslinger just using violence to try and free slaves.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:So from that throwaway line, there's this whole rabbit hole.
Speaker C:Sounds like a good movie.
Speaker B:And he said he wouldn't, which I can't find anywhere.
Speaker B:And it's all very over the top.
Speaker B:Like, I've seen a clip where it's got, like, a cannon next to him, and he's like, just, like, two guns.
Speaker B:And he's, like, got this crazy voice where it's like, in the name of God and Jesus Christ, I will kill all of you.
Speaker B:And then he just starts blasting, we.
Speaker A:Need to find this movie.
Speaker A:Yeah, that sounds fun.
Speaker C:Sounds good.
Speaker C:I bet that was better than the trailer.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker B:But, yeah, it's.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:I don't know why.
Speaker B:I don't know about that movie.
Speaker B:But, you know, that kind of stuff happens a lot.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, there wasn't that much I. I picked up.
Speaker B:And I love the soundtrack.
Speaker B:I think that was absolutely superb.
Speaker B:Some absolutely phenomenal music.
Speaker B:And then just the racism is unbelievably uncomfortable, which is.
Speaker C:It should be apt for the time, isn't it?
Speaker B:And it reminds me, I just.
Speaker B:I wonder what we're doing now.
Speaker B:That would be the equivalent.
Speaker B:And I remember there's a picture that Or a video.
Speaker B:I think it's a picture.
Speaker B: led Ruby Bridges, and it's in: Speaker B:She's six years old and she's been.
Speaker B:She's the first black student to integrate into a white public elementary school.
Speaker B:And there is a corridor of white people, particularly women, like I remember from the picture, with signs, and they have, like, hate in their eyes, and they're spitting on this kid.
Speaker B:And I just remember that, like, right now, that's someone's grandmother who's alive, you know, potentially.
Speaker B:And I just.
Speaker B:I don't get.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker A:How they got to that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I just don't make no sense.
Speaker B:It doesn't.
Speaker B:And so I'm like, well, what's the equivalent now?
Speaker B:Like, where's the.
Speaker B:Is it just against general kind of refugees?
Speaker B:Is it because it.
Speaker B:You know, that seems to not matter as long as they look different?
Speaker B:People seem to have hate, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah, I just.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't get it.
Speaker C:Like, different color skin.
Speaker C:I've got different color hair, difficult eyes.
Speaker C:Why skin?
Speaker C:The thing that's.
Speaker C:Why does that matter?
Speaker A:And why does history keep repeating itself?
Speaker A:You always feel like.
Speaker A:Like, surely by now we'd have learned some of this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, we've been through this dance.
Speaker A:Can we not move forward?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:So I think it's always good to watch films like this because it really.
Speaker B:Well, I don't know.
Speaker B:Do people.
Speaker B:Can people watch this who are racist?
Speaker B:Like, do people watch this and maybe.
Speaker C:It'll lighten up the story, broaden the horizon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Although.
Speaker B:Do they just never see.
Speaker B:Is this film like preaching to the converted?
Speaker B:You know, is it just like.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Or can films like this.
Speaker C:I think it'd be good for younger people Younger, more impressionable people to watch.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think so.
Speaker B:I would hope so.
Speaker A:It's kind of pitched as being inspirational and you'd see in the journey of them become friends.
Speaker B:And I think I've said before that, you know, obviously I grew up in the 80s, which was incredibly homophobic time and your age was in the background and there was any representation of gay people was really negative in film and on tv.
Speaker B:And then I watched My so Called Life with Claire Danes and there was a guy called Enrique in it who I really freaking liked.
Speaker B:And then he had this really like tragic story.
Speaker B:And you know, I don't know how old I was pretty young.
Speaker B:I remember thinking, why are they being addict to him?
Speaker B:Just like he's a really nice guy.
Speaker B:But it was the first kind of positive representation I've seen.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:I like to think movies and TV can make a difference.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like my daughter's got, I've always made sure my daughter's got like a black doll, a white doll, a Chinese, you know, just all types of.
Speaker C:And she never mentioned it.
Speaker C:And like there's black people at school.
Speaker C:Never mentioned.
Speaker C:But why would you, why would you mention it if no one's telling you that you should.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like you would just.
Speaker C:It's just normal.
Speaker C:There are different people.
Speaker C:That's just, that's the way it is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And in the UK we've got CBBs, which is like children's television.
Speaker B:And their presenters have a really good range of diversity.
Speaker C:So do the programs as well.
Speaker B:Same with Sesame Street.
Speaker B:Sesame street can be really solid.
Speaker B:Like there's a Sesame Street.
Speaker B:It's been ages since I brought this up, but maybe 10, 15 years ago I used to teach a little bit more about television and I'm sure Sesame street has like in one of the African countries they have, have a kid like a doll who's got aids.
Speaker B:I'm pretty sure because in the communities where that was set, a lot of people were getting age through drugs.
Speaker B:I think, I think, you know, I might be wrong.
Speaker B:So Sesame street was just reflecting what was going on around them.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm starting to see like tv, like the kids animation things where someone's in a wheelchair.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just ah, someone's got a prosthetic leg.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker C:You'll see it.
Speaker B:Yeah, totally.
Speaker C:This is, these are the conversations.
Speaker C:This movie is kind of going to breed things like that, isn't it?
Speaker C:As it should anyway.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:And the other, the other thing which kind of takes us on a different tangent, but it's produced by Jerry Bruckheimer, so.
Speaker B:Jerry Bruckheimer, that's surprising.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So he obviously does things like Top Gun.
Speaker A:I could go on forever.
Speaker C:Most Michael Bay, it didn't have a Bruckheimer feel.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker C:Is this one of his earlier films?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:He used to do a lot of stuff with Disney, didn't he?
Speaker A:So all the Pirates of the Caribbean stuff.
Speaker A:Bruckheimer.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But this is before that, though.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:So I'm saying, is this one of his earlier Bruckheimer's earlier?
Speaker A:No, it was in the middle somewhere.
Speaker A:Because don't forget, he did Top Gun.
Speaker A:Days of Thunder.
Speaker A:You could go on and on and on.
Speaker A:Beverly Hills Cop.
Speaker A:That was Brookhaven, wasn't it?
Speaker A:And then he did the Armageddon, the Michael Bay bad boy stuff.
Speaker A:But in the middle of doing the hard action stuff, he would occasionally do, like, a Disney film and he'd pop up as a producer.
Speaker A:And this was one of his sort of.
Speaker A:So it's got that kind of melodramatic bit that you would maybe find in, like, the Armageddons of the world put in the sports field.
Speaker A:But I think I read as one of my facts, which I'm gonna slide.
Speaker A:Slide in early because we're on the topic.
Speaker A:Apparently the Bruckheimer logo didn't pop up or anything, though.
Speaker A:So it was kind of.
Speaker A:He was there as a producer, but it wasn't as in your face as it normally is, which is interesting.
Speaker B:One nice thing that it's only a passing line.
Speaker B:I like it when the blonde kind of quarterback turns up.
Speaker B:It's military and, you know, it's a general whatever.
Speaker B:And he's like, this is my son.
Speaker B:You know, he's got long hair and everyone thinks he's gay because I don't think we ever work out if he's gay or not.
Speaker B:I don't think.
Speaker A:It's never really explained, is it?
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:It's almost like, what's his sexuality got to do?
Speaker B:Anything.
Speaker B:Okay, cool.
Speaker B:We can applaud that.
Speaker A:He's doing his tai chi out the front and all that kind of.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's got long hair.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In the 70s, that just meant gay.
Speaker C:So it just shows that the white guys were being racist and the black guys.
Speaker C:Well, all of them were being homophobic.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm saying it's the thing that joined them together.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I like the fact that his dad was like, you know, he's going to fight next to people of all colors.
Speaker B:He might as well get Used to it.
Speaker B:And I was like, nice.
Speaker B:Okay, Good attitude.
Speaker B:Yeah, totally.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:I think most of the stuff that I got.
Speaker C:Some of the stronger themes I got from this were the team ethic of raising up individuals to perform better than to perform better as part of the team.
Speaker C:Like, the whole team can raise up.
Speaker C:Like, you.
Speaker C:Obviously, your weakest link is your weakest link, but you can.
Speaker C:As a team, you can raise everybody up.
Speaker C:But in teams, you develop leadership.
Speaker C:Like, I know, like in football, they have, like, leadership groups.
Speaker C:So these.
Speaker C:These five players, they.
Speaker C:So you go to them for this, and they look after some of the younger, less experienced players.
Speaker C:And this was a bit like that.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:As it went on, relationships changed.
Speaker C:And it wasn't even on the.
Speaker C:On the field where.
Speaker C:Where the most important things.
Speaker C:It was the conversations outside of it where things really changed.
Speaker A:And there was a bit on the field because there was the bit where they swapped out the defense guy for the other guy who wasn't doing defense.
Speaker C:But the moments where they gained, like, the brotherhood was the things that they did off the field.
Speaker C:Like the Gettysburg scene, you know, when he took them back to there and he had that great speech.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:That was one moment where were all just together as the same.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're a high school football team.
Speaker A:We're not the Marines here takes them off to there, but it hits them.
Speaker A:There's a fine line between tough and crazy, and you're flirting with it.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was a good line.
Speaker A:Because there's that tension, isn't there all the time, between Will and Denzel develops as the film goes on and you get them becoming closer.
Speaker A:It does that thing at the end of the film, doesn't it, where it tells you the real life, where they are in real life thing, which is always quite good when it's based on true story.
Speaker A:And it's like they remain friends.
Speaker A:I like it when they do that because you think, oh, well, that's good.
Speaker A:At least that bit's not just Hollywood glamour.
Speaker C:I think the combination of the two coaches, like, it's.
Speaker C:Not that one was black and one was white.
Speaker C:It was their personalities and their traits, their leadership.
Speaker C:So Boone.
Speaker C:I've got Boone, that was more intense.
Speaker C:Discipline, control.
Speaker C:Whereas the.
Speaker C:What's the other one?
Speaker C:Was it Yost?
Speaker C:The other guy, he was more calm.
Speaker C:He was about trust and just the connection that people have where the team sort of fell in between the two of them in the end, because it had been coached by Yost to begin with.
Speaker C:And then Boone comes in there was kind of melding of the two of them.
Speaker A:It's giving me Cobra Kai vibes now, where Miyagi do and Cobra Kai.
Speaker A:Let's not go down that rabbit hole.
Speaker A:That's for another podcast.
Speaker C:Maybe one of the main things that the team is dealing with is inattentions, but then there's also the pressure from the outside as well.
Speaker C:Like they've got the pressure from their own community about them intermixing anyway, haven't they?
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker C:But they've just got to ignore that and try and get on with this thing.
Speaker B:And a lot of time it is the parents.
Speaker B:It's the parents who have kind of forced those viewpoints down.
Speaker B:And, you know, if you can put.
Speaker B:Just put kids in a room together, they'll just play.
Speaker C:And if you take away the outside influence, it just becomes an innocent.
Speaker C:They just naturally form these.
Speaker C:They'll.
Speaker C:They'll figure it out.
Speaker A:And the bit I thought was quite funny on that topic is where they kind of inverse the two kids.
Speaker A:So Hayden and the other character, Denzel's kid, the two little girls where they.
Speaker C:Kind of very opposite, aren't they?
Speaker A:Very opposite.
Speaker A:And shoot some hoops and she throws.
Speaker C:The ball and she just ducks out the way of it.
Speaker C:And it was like Race had my nails done.
Speaker A:Yeah, Race didn't really matter.
Speaker A:It was more about the characters of.
Speaker C:The girls, differences in their personalities and their upbringings, wasn't it?
Speaker A:Yeah, like she was playing the Beverly Hills High School kid almost, and Hayden's the tomboy and they just.
Speaker A:And then by the end of it, it was nice to see their little character act their subplot where they're both at the football game, sort of cheering them on together.
Speaker C:Okay, that takes us on to Paul's formidable facts of the day.
Speaker A:So I actually had this on dvd.
Speaker A:I had a look and he had a couple of behind the scenes things, which is always cool because I always think, I bet that's not on streaming.
Speaker A:And it was just like a couple of featurettes, but one of them, I didn't watch all of it, but it was like a 20 minute thing where it was on set and it had Denzel with the real.
Speaker C:The real guy in on the shoot.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:He was saying how Denzel had rang him.
Speaker A:He was like, hey, it's Denzel Washington here.
Speaker A:He's like, yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Like it's a wind up.
Speaker A:He's like, no, no, it is, it's me.
Speaker A:And he said, well, I went along with it and he sounded like him.
Speaker A:So I said, well, come around, if you want.
Speaker A:And it was.
Speaker A:It was him.
Speaker A:But seeing them too, it looked like he was on the set.
Speaker A:The real guy was on the set watching Denzel, trying to keep authentic and sort of, yeah, he'll probably have been picking his brains up.
Speaker A:But it's quite cool to see the footage of them two together.
Speaker C:And sometimes they get writers in, don't they?
Speaker C:If they said from a book, they'll get the person who wrote the book to try and keep it.
Speaker C:Unless other deals where it's like, we're giving you the money, fuck off.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:We're gonna do what we want with this movie.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker C:Bye.
Speaker A:Thanks for that.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker A:Off you go.
Speaker A:There was lots of bits about, you know, how Denzel is on set and he kind of sets the.
Speaker A:Sets the mood because he makes everyone feel involved, the extras and everything.
Speaker A:That was quite cool.
Speaker A:Anyway, some more facts.
Speaker A:So there's one scene in the film which you'll remember, because we're in spoiler territory, where the brick is thrown through Coach Boone's window.
Speaker A:Apparently, in real life, it was an old toilet that was thrown through the window.
Speaker A:But the filmmakers thought that would add too much humor, potentially, to the situation, so they changed it to make it more serious at that point.
Speaker A:Which makes sense, I suppose, if.
Speaker A:Even though you strain a bit from.
Speaker C:The real life, I don't think it matters.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker C:It's the fact that it happened in the first place.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So in real life, Bill Yost has actually four daughters.
Speaker A:So that's Patton's character, Bonnie, Angela, Cheryl and Deir.
Speaker A:And unlike in the film, all four daughters live with their mother, Betty.
Speaker A:Cheryl attended most of the games and other events with her father.
Speaker A:So the filmmakers thought it would be distracting to depict the other three girls.
Speaker A:So that's why they decided just to have one.
Speaker A:And while Bill wasn't the real life, Bill wasn't happy about that.
Speaker A:The sisters were fine with it and enjoyed the movie because the other bit of that is the real Cheryl.
Speaker A: undetected heart condition in: Speaker A:So she didn't even get to see the movie.
Speaker A:So it was decided to kind of build that up.
Speaker A:And the sisters had no problem with her portrayed as an only child and then being admitted from the film.
Speaker A:So that's where Hollywood streamlines it, I guess, because if you had all the kids, you couldn't get into all the characters and obviously through complicated a bit more, wouldn't it?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the Original script was actually full of profanity.
Speaker B:I heard this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But Disney stepped in and in an effort to produce a good old fashioned family film, they asked Jerry Bruckheimer to remove all the extreme profanity from the script.
Speaker A:So I've never seen Any Given Sunday.
Speaker A:I like to imagine that's probably got more profanity in it with Al Pacino going full on.
Speaker B:I would think so it's been a while since I've watched.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:That's one of those movies where I will be drinking and I'll put up clips from it of Al Pacino.
Speaker A:Just highlight reel.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I imagine it might have been like, let's make a family friendly version of this.
Speaker B:This one my algorithm does like.
Speaker B:It's weird when this was suggested because I kept seeing the scene where he's like, oh, it's not funny anymore, is it?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:With Donald thing.
Speaker A:Football's not fun now.
Speaker B:I remember thinking, what's that from?
Speaker B:I wonder what that is from.
Speaker A:Then you watched it.
Speaker A:So as part of the director's efforts, I'm going to try and say his name.
Speaker C:Here we go.
Speaker A:Bose Yakins.
Speaker A:Bose Yakins.
Speaker A:The director's efforts at authenticity.
Speaker A:Two of the referees in the film, E.Y.
Speaker A:Coley and B. Keith Harmon, who played the crooked referee, they're actually real life officials or they were with the Atlanta Area Footballs Association.
Speaker C:Just to add a bit more authenticity to it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Story recounted by director Paul Thomas Anderson on the Director's cup podcast says despite a Pasadena test screening scoring the film a near flawless 98, a Disney executive nervously pondered that there was more work to do on the film.
Speaker A:Nevertheless, the film was a box office hit and endured a long afterlife on home video and cable.
Speaker A:There's always a twitchy executive somewhere, isn't there?
Speaker B:He was the director.
Speaker A:No, it just said he.
Speaker A:Paul Thomas Anderson was on a podcast talking about it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I wonder if he was involved in the film somewhere.
Speaker C:It just has inside.
Speaker A:He knows that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So despite the home games being shown at night, the state championship game was actually played at 12 noon o' clock on a Saturday.
Speaker A:So there's lots of little.
Speaker C:It seems like most of the games were at night.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:It's more dramatic though.
Speaker A:It is more dramatic.
Speaker C:I like going to night games and.
Speaker A:I think that's of actual football.
Speaker C:Proper football.
Speaker C:American rubbish.
Speaker A:You mean soccer.
Speaker C:Soccer.
Speaker A:Soccer.
Speaker A:And don't forget to write in to let us know how we're getting on with our American accents, everyone.
Speaker A:So the cast includes one Oscar winner, Denzel Washington, and one Oscar nominee.
Speaker A:Who could that be?
Speaker B:No idea.
Speaker C:Not the nine year old?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Ryan.
Speaker C:Oh, Ryan Gosling.
Speaker A:Ryan Gosling.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker C:Of course, of course.
Speaker A:Did he really?
Speaker A:Yeah, apparently he was Oscar nominee.
Speaker A:Was it La La Land?
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Not for this.
Speaker C:Not for this.
Speaker C:Not for this.
Speaker C:I thought you meant for this at first.
Speaker A:No, no, sorry.
Speaker C:I was like, he must have done amazing.
Speaker C:Nominated not for this.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:I didn't know this one.
Speaker A:Denzel was previously considered for the lead role in Cool Run Ins.
Speaker C:I couldn't see that.
Speaker C:I see him as too serious.
Speaker C:I can't see him doing anything like that.
Speaker A:Maybe that's why I didn't.
Speaker A:There's a film, right?
Speaker C:I'm thinking of calling it Tula.
Speaker C:What kind of stupid name is Tallulah?
Speaker C:It's my mother's name.
Speaker C:Oh, it's a beautiful name.
Speaker A:The final score in the championship game was 27 nil, won by T.C.
Speaker A:Williams High School.
Speaker A:Andrew Lewis totaled negative rushing yardage during the game.
Speaker A:That must be in the real life.
Speaker C:I don't know what that means.
Speaker A:I don't know what that means.
Speaker A:If you know your American football, maybe that makes sense to you.
Speaker A:This is the hundred and seventy seventh live action film produced by Disney at the time.
Speaker A:At the time, wow.
Speaker A: So in: Speaker A:So you wouldn't imagine, but they went.
Speaker C:Through a period more than 26 years since.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But they went through a period of doing a lot of live action films, didn't they?
Speaker A:So this was 170 right in there.
Speaker A:So in the movie, the character of Dr. Day, good name, gotta be said, is portrayed as the school board chairman.
Speaker A:In fact, while Dr. Day was the first black man to serve on Alexandria school board and was on the board in.
Speaker A:In the year George Washington and Hammond high schools were reorganized to achieve the integration, the actual school board chairman at the time was Norman Schrot.
Speaker A:So again, the little tweaks that they've made to kind of streamline the real life, to make it more Hollywood.
Speaker A:And like you said at the start, and when it's based on a real life thing, sometimes it's loosely, isn't it?
Speaker A:Just to get.
Speaker B:Yeah, totally.
Speaker A:And the storytelling streamlines so you get more impact with the characters.
Speaker A:But there you go, there's some facts.
Speaker C:Thank you very much, Paul.
Speaker C:That takes us nicely into hate it or rate it.
Speaker C:So I'm actually gonna go straight back to you, Paul.
Speaker C:Oh, well, straight to you for this one.
Speaker C:What did you think of Pete Pemberton's choice?
Speaker A:Pete?
Speaker A:I'm gonna say I enjoyed it.
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker A:I Think you could say in some ways it's cliched.
Speaker A:You could say in some ways it's a bit melodramatic.
Speaker A:You could say all these things.
Speaker A:But me personally, I like that in a movie.
Speaker A:That's why I go to movies.
Speaker A:I like the heightened reality.
Speaker A:Like, I know some people like their movies really realistic and kind of grainy and tough, but I like the sprinkle of glitter that Hollywood brings to movies.
Speaker A:And I know sometimes with the real life event ones as well, people get annoyed when there's changes.
Speaker A:But I tend when you read through the changes, you go, oh, I get that.
Speaker A:You know, if there was more daughters, you wouldn't be as invested potentially in the one.
Speaker A:So it gives you focus.
Speaker A:So it's based off a true story.
Speaker A:It's not showing you exactly as it is.
Speaker A:For me though, it's Denzel.
Speaker A:He delivers as he always does.
Speaker A:As we said, I don't think I've seen him in a bad movie.
Speaker A:Maybe there is one out there writing and let us know if there is.
Speaker A:But it seems doubtable because he always brings his A game, doesn't he?
Speaker A:So maybe if it had been someone else in that role, maybe the film wouldn't have hit as hard.
Speaker A:But with him kind of pushing it and the team of like we discussed of upcoming stars popping up and everything, lots of young talent in there.
Speaker A:Yeah, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker A:Sports isn't my thing, but I enjoy a good sports film.
Speaker A:I like a good coming of age film, as I always say.
Speaker A:So I enjoyed the kind of high school finding themselves.
Speaker A:And also my final point is I enjoyed the message of hope behind it at the moment where the world feels like it needs some of that inspiration more than ever.
Speaker A:So maybe it hit me at a point where I'm like, yes, why can't we just get along?
Speaker A:So for me, I hate the rating it bit.
Speaker A:Is it an 8?
Speaker A:Is it an 8?
Speaker A:Weirdly, I had to look on the IMDb score thing and I thought the critics would have been all over this film.
Speaker A:But the meta score for it is really low from the critics.
Speaker A:It's not that high at all.
Speaker A:The audiences love it and it's, it's.
Speaker A:I think it's sat at 7.9.
Speaker A:I might just, I might just match IMDb.
Speaker A:It's solid.
Speaker A:I think it is really enjoyable.
Speaker A:There are bits that I think some people would watch and go, it's a bit cheesy, it's a bit corny, it's whatever.
Speaker A:But for me, I like that in the sports biopic, y Sort of film.
Speaker A:So I'll give it the same as that.
Speaker A:I'll give it a 7.9.
Speaker A:Thanks, Pete.
Speaker A:Really enjoyed it.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:I echo what you said.
Speaker C:I thought the cast, the cast was fantastic in this.
Speaker C:I like the, the chemistry.
Speaker C:Obviously it's loosely based on a true story.
Speaker C:Character driven.
Speaker C:For me it was more about the characters and the relationships rather than what was going on.
Speaker C:The events are in it and I just thought, yeah, I was.
Speaker C:I never got bored, thank God.
Speaker C:I had to watch this in three sittings.
Speaker C:But I remember every time I couldn't wait to get back to what.
Speaker C:Carry on, carry on.
Speaker C:Which is a good sign.
Speaker C:Like I'm thinking about it in between and so yeah, I was making notes and stuff and yeah, so I enjoyed it from beginning to end.
Speaker C:It's based on true story, but it's not from a book is.
Speaker C:It's just from true events in history, isn't it?
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker A:A script writers.
Speaker A:Yeah, this was in the behind the scenes thing.
Speaker A:I watched the scriptwriter heard of the story.
Speaker A:Oh, that make a good film.
Speaker A:Put the script together, delivered it and they went, oh yeah.
Speaker C:So it just, it just for me just flows and I like the, the relationships and development of the team.
Speaker C:There's some of you, you're bigger than.
Speaker C:You're better as some of your parts than you are individually.
Speaker C:I like the, the messages that it gives, regardless of all the differences.
Speaker C:People just working together in any environment.
Speaker C:You can be better.
Speaker C:So I'm gonna give it a nine.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker C:I enjoyed that much.
Speaker C:I'm gonna give it a solid nine.
Speaker C:Over to you, Mr. Horn.
Speaker A:Yeah, the sigh.
Speaker A:The sigh was heard around the world.
Speaker B:Yeah, I liked it, but it is cliched and it's formulaic.
Speaker B: It doesn't really feel like a: Speaker B:Feels like it's a little bit earlier than that.
Speaker B:Feels like a mid-90s film in a way.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker B:But I can see why the critics didn't really rate it because there's not much great filmmaking going on.
Speaker B:You know, the script is fine and serviceable, but there's nothing really that great.
Speaker B:And even though it's loosely based on the true story, I think you could have taken more liberties because I had this like, this tension whilst watching it being like, oh God, something horrible is going to happen.
Speaker B:Something really horrible is going to happen.
Speaker A:Well, some horrible stuff did happen.
Speaker B:Not really.
Speaker A:Well, I don't know.
Speaker A:There's a guy in the accident.
Speaker B:Yeah, he had an accident and then he.
Speaker A:And then he.
Speaker A:Well, he lost.
Speaker B:That's life.
Speaker B:People have Accidents.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But then he died.
Speaker B:But I thought that the, the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The Judas in the team was going to kind of get a group together and they were going to lynch someone or it's going to be like, really bad or they were going to like grab his kid or something.
Speaker A:He went off in a strop.
Speaker B:Yes, exactly.
Speaker B:Went off in a straw.
Speaker B:The drama.
Speaker B:I couldn't believe it.
Speaker B:Couldn't believe what my eyes were seeing.
Speaker B:So I just kind of felt a bit.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, obviously I felt sick in places.
Speaker B:I felt tense.
Speaker B:You know, there's a bit when the police car pulls up next to the quarterback, I think he is, isn't he?
Speaker B:And I think if a police car pulls up next to me, I mean, I panic.
Speaker B:I immediately think I've done something wrong.
Speaker B:I'm like, I won't go.
Speaker B:Okay, how much did I drink last night?
Speaker A:And you normally have, though, right?
Speaker A:Just, just.
Speaker C:Yeah, but that's very different to what does a black man think?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's what I was thinking.
Speaker B:I was watching that, being like, that's the level of fear, I think.
Speaker B:Fear when I haven't done anything wrong.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:And you know, I'm white in the.
Speaker B:In Cumbria, of all places.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:That level of.
Speaker B:And our police aren't armed.
Speaker B:So there was.
Speaker B:Was a horrible tension.
Speaker B:It did give some insight and into that world, but it just didn't really land for me.
Speaker B:And I thought it was a bit simplistic, like, oh, if you just.
Speaker B:Everyone goes off on a little camp trip together, they'll all get on well.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And even Kate Bosworth will learn that maybe you could be nice to people who just look a little bit different.
Speaker A:This is the magic of movies.
Speaker B:The soundtrack was amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:That was good.
Speaker B:I also didn't think the your mama jokes landed.
Speaker B:I was like, they're just kind of okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, I've heard better your mama jokes than that.
Speaker B:Like, get a better writer.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I.
Speaker B:Nothing against it.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:I think it's probably an important movie.
Speaker B:I'm glad it got made, but I just.
Speaker B:I think from what I can remember, you know, I think any given Sundays is better.
Speaker B:I think Miracle is better.
Speaker B:I think Coach Carter is better.
Speaker B:And I think this relied a lot on its cast.
Speaker B:And I think a lot of the time, if they weren't actors, I recognized those characters would disappear.
Speaker B:Like, I can't actually remember almost any character's name they saw.
Speaker B:Like, oh, that's Ryan Gosling.
Speaker B:That's Daniel Washington, that's Hayden.
Speaker B:That's Kate Bosworth.
Speaker B:That's Donald.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:Which I don't think is a great sign.
Speaker B:So I'm going to go in at 6.5.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Solid movie.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:Yeah, just a bit.
Speaker A:You said that about Jurassic park and gave it a five.
Speaker A:A five, Darren.
Speaker A:I've never letting that go.
Speaker A:Never.
Speaker B:But I think this had better music.
Speaker B:Had really good music.
Speaker A:Did.
Speaker B:And I like the fact that.
Speaker B:I do like the fact they were all getting on.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:But even down to the American football scenes, they didn't make me really engaged.
Speaker B:When I'm one.
Speaker B:When I'm watching a sports movie like this, I want to be like, oh.
Speaker B:Like just when people slamming into each other, each other or I want to be standing up off my sofa.
Speaker B:Oh my God.
Speaker B:Is it going to catch you?
Speaker B:Is he going to catch it?
Speaker B:I just want to be engaged.
Speaker B:And I was just like, okay, it didn't.
Speaker A:Yeah, I get what you're saying with that actually.
Speaker A:Because I'm just thinking one of my favorite sports movie is about golf, believe it or not.
Speaker A:And it's called Tink up with Kevin Costner.
Speaker A:It's a rom com, but it's all about golf.
Speaker A:And there's this bit at the end where it is just like, oh, I. I don't want to go into it.
Speaker A:In case we ever watch it.
Speaker A:I don't want to be.
Speaker A:But it's very much like hearts.
Speaker A:You're like, oh, no.
Speaker A:And maybe.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe I. I just figured it's because I don't understand the game that much.
Speaker B:Tell you what, even Jerry Maguire I think films the American football about better.
Speaker A:Oh, that's interesting.
Speaker A:That's a good film.
Speaker B:Like when the show me the money guy gets hit and is injured.
Speaker A:Cuba good in Junior.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm just like.
Speaker B:And there's like this silence and tension.
Speaker B:I just think it did it better.
Speaker B:I think the filmmaking was better.
Speaker C:So that gives it 23.5.
Speaker C:That's pretty solid on the.
Speaker C:On the listener league.
Speaker C:It puts it in fifth place out of now 16.
Speaker A:That's good going, Pete.
Speaker A:Well done.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:It's just behind Predator and Alien.
Speaker C:Pretty tube solid films.
Speaker C:It's just ahead of the Prestige and Margin Call.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Okay, that's solid.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker B:I was thinking, okay, this is better than Prestige.
Speaker B:So I knew I was going to go about.
Speaker B:I think I gave that a 5, didn't I?
Speaker A:Can't remember.
Speaker B:Someone will tell us this is a fun movie.
Speaker B:You just don't have to.
Speaker B:You just don't have to think.
Speaker B:You can switch it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:On the Legend League, it puts it in 19th out of now 67.
Speaker B:That's actually legitimate.
Speaker C:That's good.
Speaker A:That's in the highest.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So it's just behind Predator and Train Dreams.
Speaker C:Train dreams was 23.7 and it's just ahead of the Devil Wears Prada and Enemy this date.
Speaker C:Good choice.
Speaker C:That was a good, solid choice.
Speaker C:I enjoyed that.
Speaker C:Right, so that's what we thought.
Speaker C:We'd love to know what you think, so you can send us a message, email us and we'll read your thoughts out on the show.
Speaker C:So what episode do you think we would follow this?
Speaker C:I've got down Top Gun might be a good one.
Speaker C:You know, the team, the pilots coming together.
Speaker A:The Brookheimer as well.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Or the Running Man.
Speaker C:That's about, you know, the group of people, the in the.
Speaker C:I know it's about Arnie, but, you know, they're trying to do the race and escape and stuff like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, that works.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Go them.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:If you've just discovered us and you like this episode, we recommend dipping into Top Gun, our episode on Top Gun and our episode on Running Man.
Speaker C:Okay, that takes us nicely into part three, which is the listener lounge.
Speaker C:Okay, so we're in part three, which we like to call the listener lounge.
Speaker C:In part three, we have the lobby where we have your questions, your stories, any comments?
Speaker C:Then we ask our question of the week and we finish off by revealing next week's movie.
Speaker B:Am I getting any more heat for not liking Project Held Mary?
Speaker C:Not so far, no.
Speaker B:Just to my face then.
Speaker B:Although weirdly, that song came on the other day.
Speaker B:What is it?
Speaker B:Harry Styles.
Speaker B:What's it called?
Speaker A:Oh, the one that she sings in the bar.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I can't remember.
Speaker B:That is Now, I only associate with that movie and I immediately makes me start thinking about kind of having an existential crisis.
Speaker B:Thinking about what?
Speaker B:The way my life is going.
Speaker A:But you still getting hate for that.
Speaker B:Yeah, everyone loves it.
Speaker B:Which I'm not going to take a rustic.
Speaker A:Darren.
Speaker B:I love that.
Speaker B:If people love movies, that's just phenomenal.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker A:How can you not like Ghostbusters?
Speaker A:Sorry,.
Speaker B:Just dated.
Speaker B:We should try Ghostbusters too.
Speaker C:Paul just needs to get laid.
Speaker C:That's all it is.
Speaker B:I volunteer as tribute.
Speaker A:It doesn't matter how late I get.
Speaker A:I'll never get over the fact you gave that five.
Speaker A:Carry on.
Speaker C:Darren, did you say you were reading the Train Dreams book?
Speaker B:I am.
Speaker B:Have you finished it short?
Speaker B:Not yet.
Speaker B:I'm about a little over halfway through.
Speaker B:It's only nine or ten chapters.
Speaker C:Are you finding the difference between the page and the screen?
Speaker B:What I'm surprised at is it's only like a novella.
Speaker B:It's really short.
Speaker B:And there's stuff in the book that isn't in the movie.
Speaker B:And I'm just like.
Speaker B:That's interesting because.
Speaker B:Because you had loads of time.
Speaker B:You could have put.
Speaker C:Normally, books.
Speaker C:Books are huge.
Speaker C:So they have to cut out stuff to fit in it, which is what.
Speaker B:They did project how, Mary?
Speaker B:You know, they cut out kind of quite a lot of stuff.
Speaker B:Whereas this is.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's some dark stuff in it.
Speaker B:There's a whole pedophile kind of story.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, it's not huge.
Speaker B:It's just when he's young, he comes across a guy and he's homeless and kind of dying.
Speaker B:And then he says, can you get me some water?
Speaker B:And he's like, I'll tell you a story.
Speaker B:And he tells him this horrific story about how I think he said he'd basically abuse his niece.
Speaker B:And then his niece gets pregnant and the dad finds out and then kind of beats her for being pregnant and then ends up killing her and the baby.
Speaker B:Jesus, why?
Speaker C:And then not beating him?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Well, he didn't know it was him.
Speaker C:Oh, right.
Speaker C:I think found out that it was him.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker A:I can kind of see why they might have cut out then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I guess that's just a coloring of one of his earlier experiences would shape you as a person.
Speaker B:And it's again, his sense of justice.
Speaker B:Like he didn't tell anyone.
Speaker B:Like he didn't go and tell the sheriff or whatever.
Speaker B:So I think the timelines jump around a little bit more.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:It's an interesting read.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Support your local bookstores anyway.
Speaker B:Just go get it and read it.
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:So our last question of the week was about movie trailers.
Speaker C:Yay or nay?
Speaker C:It was kind of 50.
Speaker C:50.
Speaker C:A lot of people were.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:I watch them, I love them, I need them.
Speaker C:Other people, like, don't bother.
Speaker C:They ruin films.
Speaker A:That's interesting.
Speaker A:So real split down the middle.
Speaker C:I've got an email here.
Speaker C:Hi, lads.
Speaker C:Love the show.
Speaker C:In regards to your question about movie trailers, I only watch trailers for films I know nothing about.
Speaker C:If it's something I'm already planning to watch or I'm sort of familiar with, I avoid them completely.
Speaker C:If I'm unsure, then the trailer helps me decide.
Speaker B:I liked it.
Speaker B:Old school trailers where it'd be like Burt Lancaster and he kind of Swing into the into frame.
Speaker B:He'd like, aha.
Speaker B:My mate is.
Speaker B:You're going to join me as a crimson pirate.
Speaker B:We're going to be sailing the Caribbean in a tale of lust and action and sword adventure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you was basically like doing a commercial for the movie itself.
Speaker B:Totally.
Speaker B:I like that kind of way.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, okay.
Speaker B:About Lancaster.
Speaker B:I will come and watch this movie.
Speaker B:It will be fun.
Speaker C:So it says I'm.
Speaker C:If I'm unsure, then the trailer helps me decide.
Speaker C:So it's a bit of a middle ground for me.
Speaker C:That's from Luke from Nottingham.
Speaker A:They were all kind of split here because Mark doesn't do trailers.
Speaker C:No matter even if I know what it is or I don't want it is.
Speaker C:I just don't want to go with any.
Speaker C:Any preconceived notions.
Speaker C:I just want experiences it as a blank page.
Speaker B:I like the chat show route.
Speaker B:I'd rather watch like a chat show with them being interviewed on like grand.
Speaker C:About the movie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I do that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Behind the scenes.
Speaker B:I like.
Speaker C:I will do that.
Speaker C:If it's like a movie I'm probably not.
Speaker C:I know I'm not going to see, then I'll just.
Speaker C:If I see someone talking about it, I'm okay with that.
Speaker A:So I probably differ in the sense that I love a good trailer.
Speaker C:I will watch trailers of movies if I've already seen them because then I could.
Speaker C:Then I want to know how does it.
Speaker C:How the film.
Speaker A:The excitement of a trailer for an upcoming film that you're excited to watch.
Speaker A:Just seeing bits of it.
Speaker C:I think the last trailer ever watched was the Force Awakens.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:You know, because we knew there was a Star wars game.
Speaker C:Had been one for years.
Speaker C:And I was like.
Speaker C:I watched the very first trailer.
Speaker C:I was like, okay.
Speaker C:Obviously I knew.
Speaker C:I know Star Wars.
Speaker C:I just want a little feel of what it was going to be like just because it had been so long.
Speaker C:And I was like, I just hope they're not like the prequels.
Speaker A:Ouch.
Speaker C:That's just my opinion.
Speaker C:That's just my opinion.
Speaker A:The episode one trailer was a phenomenal time.
Speaker C:But yeah.
Speaker C:So I generally avoid them because I don't want to be influenced.
Speaker A:I love a good trailer.
Speaker A:I'm sticking with that.
Speaker A:The ones that pop into my head, I miss the voiceover ones.
Speaker C:In a world where a man.
Speaker A:All of our ones.
Speaker A:And there's a really funny.
Speaker A:It's worth looking up.
Speaker A:It used to make me laugh all day long.
Speaker A:This where Jen see look it up and say that's not Funny at all, Paul.
Speaker A:But it's a trailer for a Jerry Seinfeld movie called Comedian, which is kind of a documentary about him.
Speaker A:But the trailer for the movie is the guy.
Speaker A:Is it howl someone?
Speaker A:The guy who used to be the move.
Speaker A:One of the big movie voices.
Speaker A:And it's him in the booth and he's doing one man, like, yeah, can we not do that this time?
Speaker A:And it basically takes the piss.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, oh, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it used to crack me up.
Speaker A:No end.
Speaker C:In a world.
Speaker A:It's like, no, in a world, Jack.
Speaker C:Oh, no.
Speaker C:In a world.
Speaker A:Yeah, it still makes me laugh.
Speaker A: course, is looking at Batman,: Speaker A:So there was a lot of speculation around Michael Keaton as Batman, because before Batman, he had done a film called Clean Sober, which was a serious film, which is, I think, where they got the idea of, oh, he could play this character.
Speaker A:But obviously most people knew him from Mr.
Speaker A:Mom and Beetlejuice and stuff like that.
Speaker A:So when he was announced as Batman, there was uproar and how could they do this?
Speaker A:And they thought it was going to be like the Adam West 60s Batman.
Speaker A:And they brought out a trailer that was literally just.
Speaker A:You'll have seen this, Darren.
Speaker B:It was just a logo.
Speaker A:Just the logo.
Speaker A:And then the trailer after that was just like cuts from the movie.
Speaker A:So it wasn't even like proper trail.
Speaker A:It was just like, bits.
Speaker A:So the Batmobile went through a thing, and then he says, I am Bruce Wayne.
Speaker A:She said, I'm Vicki Vale.
Speaker A:And the Joker turned around and it was just like shots.
Speaker A:But all of a sudden, the excitement for that film went through the roof.
Speaker A:And the kind of hype for it is probably why it made as much money as it did.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I'm all for the teaser trailer.
Speaker A:I'm all for the teaser trail.
Speaker A:I don't like it when they give too much away.
Speaker A:I'm with you on that one.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think people are a bit too spoiler twitchy these days.
Speaker A:So, yeah, it's.
Speaker A:Watching bits of it isn't still the experience of seeing the whole film.
Speaker C:Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker C:That takes us on to the question of the week.
Speaker C:We're now going to flip Question of the Week on its head.
Speaker C:It no longer comes from us.
Speaker C:It's going to come from you.
Speaker C:Listening to this right now.
Speaker C:I put a thing out today if anyone's got any questions of the week.
Speaker C:But if you have a question of the week you would like us to ask for upcoming episodes, send them in and we can Compile the best ones and we'll.
Speaker C:We'll choose our favorite one.
Speaker C:From this episode forward, it's all about you.
Speaker C:This is the lobby.
Speaker C:It says the listener lounge.
Speaker C:So anything we can do to increase your participation, we're gonna do it right.
Speaker C:So I put it out today and got one of the responses here.
Speaker C:Are we seeing franchise fatigue?
Speaker C:Anyone else tired of endless add ons or is it just me?
Speaker A:Good one.
Speaker C:What do you think?
Speaker B:Yeah, I think we are.
Speaker C:Too much reliance on the, the back.
Speaker B:Catalog and the, with the, with the bigger studios.
Speaker B:There's a studio called A24 and they make much smaller stuff and everything.
Speaker B:They feel like everything they make gets an Oscar.
Speaker B:It was like a winning film.
Speaker B:You know, one of my favorite ones recently is everything Everywhere all at once, which is just so out there.
Speaker B:But there's tons of other stuff they did.
Speaker B:Whereas the mainstream studios tend to go like, it's ridiculous.
Speaker B:Like isn't the budget for Doomsday?
Speaker B:Is it Avengers Doomsday?
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker B:Isn't the budget something like 400 million and then 300 on marketing.
Speaker A:It needs to make billions to break even.
Speaker B:It's like, what are you doing?
Speaker A:It's crazy.
Speaker B:I don't get that at all.
Speaker B:When, particularly when technology can do things so cheaply.
Speaker B:Like who is it?
Speaker B:Is it the cast who are taking all the money?
Speaker A:They're probably paying Robert Downey like 300 million or something to get him back.
Speaker B:It's ridiculous.
Speaker B:So yeah, I feel fatigued with Star Wars.
Speaker B:I feel fatigued with Marvel and I used to love that stuff and I'm just like, I can't be bothered anymore.
Speaker C:Are they.
Speaker C:Are they relying on the big franchises too much?
Speaker C:Are they just cash cows or they just try to do that for releases or they're not.
Speaker C:They don't take as many chances anymore because it might not make as much.
Speaker A:Money when it's got the IP address to it.
Speaker A:They think it's a safer choice because it's got the thing.
Speaker A:But I agree with Darren, I think.
Speaker C:But where's the next one going to come from?
Speaker C:You've got to start again with some potentially new ones.
Speaker A:But they're not doing that.
Speaker A:They want to invest in the new.
Speaker B:Ones and it's still stuff they haven't done done.
Speaker B:They could relaunch Flash Gordon or Dan Dare.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's so many books that have could be brought to life which haven't done yet.
Speaker B:There's also so many historic figures like that John Brown.
Speaker B:There's tons of people you could really explore.
Speaker C:But they keep rehashing but then that's.
Speaker A:What they think drags them in.
Speaker A:So if you look at the slate of summer movies, it's like it's the fifth in the franchise, it's the seventh in the front, it's the 12th in the franchise.
Speaker C:Why not in the middle of that, do the first and a new potential new franchise.
Speaker A:And I am like probably more so than Darren.
Speaker A:I am Mr.
Speaker A:In the past, Mr.
Speaker A:Franchise, Mr. Blockbuster loved all that stuff.
Speaker A:And even now I just love watching an older film from the 90s or the 80s, whatever.
Speaker A:That's just a standalone thing and it's its own movie.
Speaker A:And I watch it and go, I'm done.
Speaker A:I don't need to watch four TV shows, nine other movies, spin off, whatever to make sense of it all.
Speaker B:I think if you look through the top 250 films on IMDb or whatever, there's not that many franchises.
Speaker B:I think Dark Knight will be one.
Speaker A:There's a few, like exceptional ones.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Godfather Part two.
Speaker B:Yeah, totally.
Speaker B:But not many Pie Strikes Back.
Speaker B:I guess Jaws is a franchise.
Speaker C:Terminator.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:An alien.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker B:So there's some good work.
Speaker C:Again, there was, they were short lived, like two or three, but these were like six, seven, eight, nine spin offs and variations.
Speaker A:You know, I admit the Marvel, I admit the cinematic universe, when that first started going, was very exciting.
Speaker A:And you get the little teaser at the end of each one and then to finally see them all together was really exciting.
Speaker A:And now I feel like they need to rest it so we can recharge.
Speaker C:And focus on something else.
Speaker C:Yeah, good question.
Speaker A:It's a good question.
Speaker A:I wonder what everyone else thinks.
Speaker C:Yeah, it won't load, so I can't.
Speaker C:I don't know who that's from.
Speaker C:So whoever it is, thank you.
Speaker C:When, when we, this episode goes out, we'll tag you in the.
Speaker C:Well, I'll find it and I'll tag you in.
Speaker B:But I think there's a difference in franchises and world building.
Speaker B:Like I think Alien is world building and Terminator is.
Speaker C:Yeah, but the Alien, the later Alien ones, that seems like a franchise stuff in terms of like when you start cashing in and relying on the.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'd agree.
Speaker B:The first four, I'd kind of forget.
Speaker C:I've even seen them, but I just know of them and like I've read up on them and I've seen what other people have said.
Speaker B:The Predator's doing good stuff right now.
Speaker C:It can work, but it's just, it doesn't.
Speaker C:It's not very often.
Speaker C:Like once you get 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
Speaker C:You know, like the Fast and the Furious.
Speaker C:Well, I like the first two.
Speaker B:After that, from the outside, they all seem similar.
Speaker B:Whereas, like Alien, particularly the first four, everyone is like a different meal, different ingredients.
Speaker B:Terminators, a little bit like that particular one and two, and Predators.
Speaker B:Definitely like that with their four films now.
Speaker B:So, I don't know.
Speaker B:It depends.
Speaker B:It depends why you're doing it and what the motivation.
Speaker A:I think audiences are getting a bit more savvy where they can feel that it's a cash grab or it's not.
Speaker A:Yeah, to a certain extent.
Speaker A:It's going to be interesting over the next few years because I think if Marvel don't hit with Doomsday, they're going to have to regroup and do something because they're going to have lost a lot of money.
Speaker A:But Nintendo, on the other hand, they've just done another massive smash with the Super Mario sequel.
Speaker A:I haven't seen the second one.
Speaker A:I've saw the first one that was quite fun.
Speaker A:But I think they're about to branch into their Nintendo universe and almost probably give Disney a good run for the money on let's turn all of our computer games into movies because they're making Legend of Zelda as a live action thing.
Speaker A:There's probably other ones that are going to spin off from the galaxies one that I haven't seen yet.
Speaker A:The universe one.
Speaker A:It'd be interesting.
Speaker A:But then how much is too much?
Speaker B:Star Fox could be a kind of Guardians of the galaxy type 5.
Speaker A:I think he pops up at the end of this galaxies one.
Speaker A:So that's probably a solid bet that that's coming soon.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker C:Good question, whoever you are.
Speaker C:So if you.
Speaker C:If you've got any answers to that question, send them in and we'll read them out on upcoming episodes.
Speaker C:So that takes us on to next week's movie, which is back to me.
Speaker B:Okay, go for it.
Speaker C:I'm gonna go for an actor who I think we've only done one movie so far and he's a big actor and I felt like we should add to his repertoire.
Speaker C:I'm going early 90s.
Speaker C:I'm going Jim Carrey, Ace Ventura, but.
Speaker A:Detective, that's like his breakout.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C: Maybe: Speaker A:Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker A:I think it's 94.
Speaker A:I want to bet.
Speaker C:So the second one, I feel like.
Speaker A:It's around that time.
Speaker C:It's around that time.
Speaker C:They're both early 90s.
Speaker C:Courtney Cox is also in there.
Speaker A:This was just before Friends hit.
Speaker A:I think if it was 94, wasn't.
Speaker C:This whatever wasn't this.
Speaker C:Whenever this came out, there was.
Speaker C:The mask came out in the same.
Speaker C:In the same sort of time.
Speaker C:I'm sure he had a year when three movies came out.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, I haven't seen it in forever.
Speaker C:I want to know if it's dated.
Speaker C:I want to know.
Speaker C:It holds up.
Speaker C:Up.
Speaker B:It's 100 going to be dated.
Speaker A:It literally pops up on this newsfeed I get every day saying films that couldn't be made now.
Speaker A:Yes, Ace Ventura is always on that list.
Speaker C:I want for watching that.
Speaker C:Okay, so next week's movie is Ace Ventura Pet Detective.
Speaker C:And that brings us to the end of the show.
Speaker C:Thank you so much for spending some time with us.
Speaker C:Really do appreciate it.
Speaker C:If you like what we do and you want to help us, please share the show with friends, any fellow movie fans, any.
Speaker C:Anything you'd like.
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Speaker C:It really will help us.
Speaker C:So this episode is officially over.
Speaker C:This is Mark saying goodbye.
Speaker B:I'm saying goodbye for now.
Speaker A:Yeah, this is my sanctuary right here.
Speaker A:All this hatred and turmoil swirling around us, but this, this is always right.
Speaker A:Struggle, survival, victory and defeat.
Speaker A:It's just a game, Doc.
Speaker A:But I love it.
Speaker B:That was good.
Speaker B:That was your longest quote?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:You're getting bigger.
Speaker C:The monologue, though.
Speaker C:I think he is.
Speaker C:That's a rainy man.
