The Fast and the Furious(2001) – The Original... and the Best?

Speaker A: 00:00:01

That is the nutshell.

Speaker B: 00:00:02

I don't need to think. This is like a big blanket around me.

Speaker A: 00:00:05

We can make another nine of these. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B: 00:00:08

Takes. Is it Vince's beer or. He's offered Vince's beer.

Speaker A: 00:00:11

Oh, that's right.

Speaker B: 00:00:11

Then he wipes the rim in front of him. Almost like he says schoolyard, like you've got the lurgy. I've got to wipe your germs away.

Speaker A: 00:00:18

That's exactly what that felt like.

Speaker B: 00:00:21

Who wrote that? That's amaz.

Speaker C: 00:00:35

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Here we are, Fast and Furious: 2001

Speaker A: 00:01:09

You mean the Fast and the Future.

Speaker C: 00:01:10

name of the original one from: 2001

Speaker B: 00:01:14

But which one's Fast and which one's Furious?

Speaker A: 00:01:17

We'll get into that.

Speaker C: 00:01:18

We'll find out. We'll find out. So we begin with a nutshell. The audience are gonna be asking, what is this movie about? What is it? How do you describe it?

Speaker B: 00:01:25

It's about thieves who use cars to steal things, basically. Well, it's obviously about family.

Speaker C: 00:01:32

It is about family.

Speaker B: 00:01:33

Although this one isn't. This one isn't as much about family as I expected going in because there is a whole big meme about how embedded the whole family thing gets.

But yeah, it's about thieves stealing stuff with cars. So it's kind of like the Italian Job. Very like the Italian Job in many ways. Or it's like Point Break meets Smoking the Bandit.

Speaker C: 00:01:53

Yeah, it's a street racing action thriller.

Speaker A: 00:01:55

Yeah, gone in 60 seconds.

Speaker C: 00:01:57

Yeah, gone six seconds. Definitely.

Speaker A: 00:01:58

Yeah. And it's very much in the vein of almost a Michael Bay. Fast cars, glamorous women, good looking guys.

Speaker B: 00:02:06

Sort of good looking guys.

Speaker A: 00:02:08

Well, you know.

Speaker C: 00:02:09

Well, in his opinion, they might be. Darren.

Speaker B: 00:02:11

Yeah, that's valid. Which, which one did you like, Paul?

Speaker A: 00:02:13

Well, I like Jordan Brewster myself, but,.

Speaker B: 00:02:16

You know, who's that? That's the system okay, now they've all got a cool, sexy slow motion get out of the car shot.

Speaker A: 00:02:22

Yeah, that's what I'm practicing. Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:02:23

I did think watching this movie, I was like, do I need to work on my getting out of the car ability? Because I don't look like that.

Speaker C: 00:02:30

So on the surf, it's about legal street racing, but it's also about family, it's about rivalries, it's about loyalty heists. Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:02:37

You could also argue it's about masculinity and in particular, insecure, fragile masculinity, which I can break down for you a bit later.

Speaker A: 00:02:44

I've written Babes, Fast Cows and family Babes.

Speaker C: 00:02:48

I mean, this films, man. This film launched one of cinema's biggest franchises, as proven in our most recent top 10, which go back and listen to that.

Our top 10 on franchises. It was in there. Why was this one so iconic at the time? Why was it so popular? Was it. Was it. Was it time? Is it a timing thing?

Speaker B: 00:03:04

I'm not sure. I'm not sure when the whole kind of Tokyo street racing thing started to happen because that feels that was the thing. And cars started to get.

It's kind of like in the 80s when we had Lamborghini Countaches and Ferrari testers and Porsches. We had, you know, and. Oh, my God, what is. We had so many cool cars.

Speaker C: 00:03:23

I always remember the beginning of Rain man where Tom Cruise is like, he gets out of. He gets into a Lamborghini Countach or something like that.

I'm sure the opening scene I always remember that is him getting into one of them when driving off.

Speaker B: 00:03:33

So at some point that period stopped and then the whole neon light period began and the speakers and music and the. And stuff, it'd be linked in somehow to that.

Speaker A: 00:03:42

to say is it's very much in a: 2000

So I'd throw that in the nutshell in the sense of the music in it reminded me so much of lots of films of that era, like Jason Bourne, the Tomb Raiders with Angelina Jolie, maybe the Italian Job remake. Bad Boys, Bad Boys. Every time they go to do stuff, a song kicks in. But it's kind of those themed.

Speaker C: 00:04:04

Those themed by like the way it's shot and the music.

Speaker A: 00:04:07

But it's like a beat. It's almost like a very up tempo.

the editing and the music of: 2000

Speaker B: 00:04:18

It's like if you've got a baby and you want them to sleep or stay quiet and you put them in your crib and then you put a mobile over them which makes noise. And there's little car kind of cutouts and it turns around. That's what this movie is. It's like, oh, there's pretty lights and noise.

Speaker A: 00:04:35

That is the nutshell.

Speaker B: 00:04:36

I don't need to think this is like a big blanket around me.

Speaker A: 00:04:39

Can make another nine of these.

Speaker B: 00:04:40

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker C: 00:04:41

What's the genre and the tone of this then? For someone who hasn't seen it, the genre is definitely an action movie.

Speaker B: 00:04:46

Yes. An action crime racing movie. I mean, it's hard. I mean racing is almost. They don't race that much really.

And in most crime movies as a race or a chase, you know, baby driver's got a fantastic one.

Speaker A: 00:04:57

I wrote it's kind of the definition of a popcorn movie. It's not overly serious. It's try to take itself serious in certain places. But it's still very much a popcorn y sort of.

Speaker B: 00:05:08

It is. It's a Friday night beer movie. Beer and popcorn.

Speaker C: 00:05:12

What else can people expect? Practical car stunts.

Speaker B: 00:05:14

Yeah, they didn't impress me much.

Speaker C: 00:05:16

Illegal street races.

Speaker B: 00:05:17

Yeah. I think because I've grown up with smoking the Bandit and Mad Max and stuff. I just feel particularly after Fury Road.

Speaker A: 00:05:23

Yeah, there was some crazy action, but practical effects, minimal cgi. I mean there's a bit of computer graphics in certain things where they go into the engine and things. Yeah, but the actual.

Speaker C: 00:05:33

That was very early. Early of the time.

Speaker A: 00:05:35

the time. We're only in early: 2000

choice. But again, it's very: 2000

Speaker C: 00:05:47

What movies have we mentioned similar to so far? You said gone in 60 seconds. Definitely.

Speaker B: 00:05:51

Smoking the Bandit, Point Break, Italian job,.

Speaker C: 00:05:53

Italian job: 2003

Speaker B: 00:05:55

Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker C: 00:05:55

early two, if it's the early: 2000

Speaker B: 00:06:04

Yeah, totally.

Speaker A: 00:06:04

Maybe this is a stretch. You could maybe say the Departed, but obviously this is a very frothy popcorn version of the Departed.

Speaker C: 00:06:12

I would also say if you've only seen the most recent Fast and Furious films, this is very stripped away. It's a lot more basic.

Speaker B: 00:06:18

That happens a lot. And a lot of franchises become the joke of what they once were because.

Speaker C: 00:06:23

Everyone has to outdo its predecessor. So they just get more ridiculous and.

Speaker B: 00:06:26

They chase the money instead of the art. So we saw that with Rambo. Like, Rambo 1 is a phenomenal movie. There's a character piece about PTSD. Really. Then it gets ridiculous.

We see it with Rocky. Like, I love Rocky 4, but come on, 1. It's not. It's not a real movie.

Speaker A: 00:06:41

It's so good, though.

Speaker C: 00:06:43

It's not a real movie.

Speaker A: 00:06:45

Those montages are fabulous.

Speaker B: 00:06:46

It's just a music video.

Speaker A: 00:06:48

A good one.

Speaker C: 00:06:48

Yeah, yeah. Is there any misconceptions with this film?

Speaker A: 00:06:51

The only thing I would say is just on the back of what you were saying is where we're like, oh, they gradually get less serious. I don't think this is particularly serious at times either.

Speaker C: 00:06:58

It's more. It's just more basic.

Speaker A: 00:07:00

More basic.

Speaker C: 00:07:00

It's more to the point.

Speaker A: 00:07:01

Good point. Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:07:02

It's simpler. Not quite as simplistic.

Speaker A: 00:07:04

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:07:04

It's not just about street racing, though. It's not just about legal street racing. There's more to it than that, I would say. Roger says to it, trust, loyalty, respect, family.

Speaker B: 00:07:12

Yeah, but in a really childish way. It's like SWAT disrespected me coming into my home. Yeah, because you committed crimes.

Speaker C: 00:07:20

But like, as you said, though, a lot of the movie is not about the actual racing, though.

Speaker B: 00:07:23

No.

Speaker C: 00:07:24

There's a lot of other layers to it.

Speaker B: 00:07:25

I think it's a little bit about particularly men. And I saw. I feel like I mentioned Jamelia, Jamal, every freaking Jamila Jamil, she talks about this, but as many others do.

But men on the whole are drawn to order and structure and belonging. So men are more likely to join the military. Men are more.

Men kind of, to a certain extent, can do well in prisons or corporations where there's a hierarchy and you kind of work your way up. We like joining teams, you know, it's part of us.

Speaker C: 00:07:54

Yeah, the team mentality. They're like that.

Speaker B: 00:07:56

Even though, like, you know, I guarantee you the. The majority of ICE agents in America are going to be men because on the whole, women wouldn't do that.

And we see a lot of, you know, men in the negative kind of male space being like, you can't control these women. No. Men are way easier to control. They just want a big, strong man to tell them what to do in the army.

Okay, you're going to do this and just hope that One day they tell you you're proud of you. You know.

So I think it's a lot about that because it's a group of miscreants who come together who, you know, we could project a lot of stuff onto this, like, is there missing father figures or whatever? So they're certainly a missing family. So they create their own family, much as a gang.

And even though it seems that most of them kind of hate each other, but it's kind of like what we've.

Speaker C: 00:08:38

Got, alpha males clashing, struggling for attention.

Speaker B: 00:08:42

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:08:42

And to be heard.

Speaker B: 00:08:43

And the masculinity is quite fragile because of it.

Speaker A: 00:08:47

I feel one day one of my film choices might get validation from Darren.

Speaker C: 00:08:50

Just saying one day there's still time.

Speaker A: 00:08:53

I know.

Speaker C: 00:08:54

Anything else? I think that's covered it. Let's head on to the unboxing. If you do want to go watch the movie, you haven't seen it.

I would go and do so now because on the unboxing there's definitely going to be some spoilers. Let's go for. What did you miss, Darren? I'm going to go straight over to you.

Speaker B: 00:09:10

Yeah, I kind of touched on it already that the. Definitely the part of its men being drawn into a sense of identity. I actually saw there was that movie with looks at Paul.

I can't remember the guy's name. He's in. I think he's in House of Dragon at the moment. He's like the king or. He was the king or whatever.

Speaker A: 00:09:28

Paddy Constantine.

Speaker B: 00:09:29

I think it's Paddy Constantine. Did he play like a Ku Klux Klan member in a movie once and meets like an African American woman and.

Speaker C: 00:09:35

Then he's the one in Dead Man's Shoes. Yeah, he's the main guy.

Speaker B: 00:09:38

I think it's him.

Speaker A: 00:09:39

I don't know. I haven't seen that film.

Speaker B: 00:09:40

He does his whole speech where he's saying, you know, I grew up with nothing, next to nothing. And then the clan came along and, you know, they gave me a sense of identity and I was part of something with purpose.

And I, you know, I had people looking out for me. And he talks about how. How enamored you can get with that and this is kind of what's going on with this. And you get. You get pulled into it.

You can get pulled into. Yeah, I'm sure it's him.

Speaker A: 00:10:02

Like a belonging almost in my pong. Yeah, belonging. I suppose that's the same whether it's a cult or family or an organization or something.

Speaker B: 00:10:10

Absolutely. But it is also just a bunch of boys And I've said before, I think that I'm not entirely sure always that the patriarchy is the issue.

Although there are issues with the patriarchy. I think it's. The problem with the patriarchy is it's been run by boys and it's been set up by boys as in immature men, basically.

And we see a lot of that kind of within this. It's. And women being the trophies.

So there's a bit where a girl is like, no, actually, I think the main guy says to Michelle Rodriguez, that's her name, isn't it?

Speaker A: 00:10:37

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:10:38

And he's, oh, no, you're my trophy. And then somebody other girl is like, oh, these boobs are yours if you win. I know these boobs are yours if you win or lose.

But if you win, you get her as well. It's like. So I. I mean, it's fine. But what I'm interested in is I don't think this movie has a great deal of sort of talent behind it, which is. Okay.

We have lots of movies that are just made by people who are, you know, learning or doing it for the money. It's a job, whatever.

Speaker C: 00:11:00

Or young themselves and immature themselves.

Speaker B: 00:11:02

Yeah. So I don't think it's necessary. Trying to.

I think it's accidentally kind of saying some things like, I don't think it is a commentary really, on masculinity, but the intention wasn't. But even down to a bit like, they're all. How long's the street racing last? 10 Seconds.

Speaker A: 00:11:17

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:11:17

Then the police are like, oh, we've got word that there's been some street racing. So about 12 police cars turn up in about. And everyone runs away like school kids.

It's like when you're playing football with a tennis ball when you're young and it goes through a window and everyone just scatters. It's like, why are they running? You're not racing right now. Right now, you guys are just sitting next to your car. Got no news on there. Cops run.

Speaker C: 00:11:41

The only thing you got to make sure is yet you're not racing.

Speaker B: 00:11:42

Yeah. Just like, what are you doing?

Speaker C: 00:11:44

Put the flags away.

Speaker B: 00:11:45

We got reports of racing. Oh, yeah, Those guys went, we're not racing.

Speaker A: 00:11:48

Well, Vin Diesel even dropped his car off. He's walking down the street like Toretto and stats on him. And I'm like, he got his car.

Speaker B: 00:11:54

What about. And he said your name. He knows where you live. He's going to be there before you get there. What logic is this?

Speaker A: 00:12:01

Outrun him. Outrun him. That's why I feel like it's very much a teen sort of thing. It's almost filmed from the perspective of the teens. Like, it's the cops.

Speaker B: 00:12:09

It is, totally. And they use the derogatory F word to reference homosexuals, but not even referencing the homosexual.

He just calls him the F word because he's like, you're not man enough to be with our gang, or whatever. And then there's bits where Paul Walker's character takes. Is it Vince's beer or is he offered Vince's beer?

Speaker A: 00:12:26

That's right.

Speaker B: 00:12:26

Then he wipes a rim in front of him. Almost like he says, schoolyard, you've got the lurgy. I've got to wipe your germs away.

Speaker A: 00:12:33

That's exactly what that felt like.

Speaker B: 00:12:36

Who wrote that? That's amazing. And then there's bits where, like, the cops are seen as unmasculine. Like, if you're in the gang, you're masculine.

If you drive cars, you're masculine, you're strong. And if you're part of that gang, you're feminine. Because even Michelle do you guys says stuff as well. She.

There's two girls just talking to Dom and she's like, kind of smells, like, scant here.

Speaker C: 00:12:54

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:12:54

He's like, oh, you don't trust your man? Like, they're just talking to him. What's your issue? Going to fight everyone in town? Like.

Speaker A: 00:13:00

Yeah, but that line's meant to go to tell you that her character's got.

Speaker B: 00:13:03

Attitude, I think, just looking at Michelle Rodriguez. And then you've got the cops who don't seem to agree with anything, but then they're like, oh, can we get coffee? And it gets four iced cappuccinos.

And then he's like, decaf. He's like, yeah, decaf. I said, oh, my God. This screams against everything that I've been programmed to as, like, Gen X.

Like, I grew up watching Bogart and John Wayne and film noirs and Westerns. Black coffee, even diet black coffee. Black coffee and donuts. Hand in your badge and gun right now.

Speaker C: 00:13:36

But are they. Are they not just deliberately trying to make the police the opposite to them?

Speaker A: 00:13:40

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:13:40

But uncool. Emasculating them by saying, but also, I state this clearly, a lot of my programming is toxic.

Like, you know, and we see it in shows like scrubs, where Dr. Cox, awesome name is like, drinking black coffee or whiskey, whereas JD Drinks like an appetite.

Speaker A: 00:13:59

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:13:59

Yeah. And, you know, I've joked with Paul a lot about this because Paul leans more that way.

Speaker A: 00:14:04

What's wrong with an appletini. In fact, you are very Dr. Cox encoded. And I'm very Dorian coded.

Speaker B: 00:14:10

Exactly. Right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, like Mad Men where it's like an old fashioned whiskey. Like the. Oh, God, I love old fashions.

ot like ADD or ADHD. Was that: 2000

Speaker C: 00:14:29

2001.

Speaker B: 00:14:30

I don't think I ever heard that for those words that early on now any film ever.

Speaker C: 00:14:35

Good point. Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:14:36

Like, I probably saw characters now in hindsight.

Speaker C: 00:14:38

You recognize it in a. Retrospectively.

Speaker B: 00:14:41

Yeah, yeah. I think that Denzel Washington in Equalizer has got neurodivergent, I think particularly around.

Speaker C: 00:14:47

OCD and what's his name and the accountant.

Speaker B: 00:14:50

Oh, God, yeah. But they talk about it a little bit in that the movie's not about that. It's just like, oh, these guys.

Speaker C: 00:14:55

And who plays Batman?

Speaker A: 00:14:57

Ben Affleck?

Speaker C: 00:14:58

No.

Speaker A: 00:15:00

Michael Keaton?

Speaker C: 00:15:00

No.

Speaker A: 00:15:01

Robert Pattinson?

Speaker C: 00:15:02

No.

Speaker A: 00:15:03

Adam West.

Speaker C: 00:15:03

Neo. Newer. Newer. He was Christian Bale. He was in Is it the Big Short.

Speaker B: 00:15:08

Oh, he was, yeah.

Speaker C: 00:15:09

And he was. He was like that he could like focus on things and understand things that nobody else could understand. But that was.

That was the only thing he could do. Like social skills gone. That was definitely an ADHD thing.

Speaker A: 00:15:17

I feel like I'm going to get beaten up for picking Christian Bale last there. I don't know why.

Speaker B: 00:15:22

There's also more.

Speaker C: 00:15:23

I'm doing other people, other characters.

Speaker B: 00:15:26

There's also more code in by obviously with Paul Walker as well, because he goes into the cafe that is trying to kind of infiltrate, basically. And she's like, oh, let me guess. Tuna, no crust. And I'm like, oh, he has a tuna sandwich with the cross cut off.

And she's going to do it for him because his mummy's not around, bless him. Like, he's a kid. He's a boy. In a good way. But then also like how. I like how tribal is and. But I also like how multicultural Dom's gang is.

So when you go to the street races and you're looking around different sections,.

Speaker C: 00:15:59

It's kind of like black, white, Mexican, old people from all over.

Speaker B: 00:16:03

Yeah, Chinese, but they're all in their packs. Yeah, it's kind of like inclusive. Yeah. But they keep to their own gangs. Whereas, yeah, Doms is inclusive. It's like, oh, we've Got this guy.

We just pick up these strays as we go along. But not you, apparently.

They picked up all these other strays along the way, but as soon as Paul Walker walks up, they're like, I don't like this guy. Why?

Speaker A: 00:16:23

Because he's pretty.

Speaker B: 00:16:24

And you think I also. They weren't even dating, were they?

Speaker A: 00:16:27

So.

Speaker B: 00:16:27

No, I guess that guy just had a crush on her and was like, I know you don't want me, but I'm gonna make it so that you can't have anyone.

Speaker A: 00:16:34

But then she clearly knows that because there's that moment where it's like, where are you gonna take me? To the restaurant? And he's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then she turns to Paul Walker, he's like, there, that's where you're gonna take me, Brian.

Speaker B: 00:16:44

Yeah, that was, that was kind of mean.

Speaker A: 00:16:46

Like, that's a bit mean, Jordan.

Speaker B: 00:16:47

Yeah, totally. Other than that, I, I also feel like I had this subtext of the aim is to manage your emotions.

Speaker C: 00:16:54

Like don't fly, don't ruining things by letting their emotions get the better.

Speaker B: 00:16:57

Oh my God. Right? Yeah.

And also I don't like this thing that we, I, I've had done to me when I was much younger where it's like, you break her heart, I'll break your neck. So don't be a dick.

Speaker C: 00:17:08

An older brother kind of thing though, isn't it?

Speaker B: 00:17:10

Yeah, but not when you're that old. That's like, it's cute if you're 11 and you say it to your 16 year old big sister's boyfriend.

Speaker A: 00:17:19

I want a remake of the Fast and the Furious with Kids now you said.

Speaker B: 00:17:23

Yeah, like a Bugsy Malone version.

Speaker C: 00:17:25

It would be exactly the same.

Speaker B: 00:17:26

It worked. It would be exactly the same.

Speaker A: 00:17:27

Don't change the script. You want your choose a sandwich with no crust. I'm going to break his neck.

Speaker C: 00:17:32

Yeah, There would be no difference whatsoever.

Speaker B: 00:17:34

Yeah, totally.

Speaker A: 00:17:35

There you go, Netflix.

Speaker B: 00:17:36

But then there's also the theme is. And obviously they're trying to get Paul Walker to kind of turn over to the other side. It was very similar to Point Break in that way because.

But I kind of see how they do it with Johnny Utah with this. It's a little bit harder because it's like he's basically saying that's all this stuff going on.

And he's, you know, family, the gang mean nothing to him. Which is surprised me. And he's like, you know, the cars mean nothing, thefts mean nothing. It's when I race for those 10 seconds I'm free.

And they try and make it seem like that's an epiphany or something we should all adhere to. It's like, how about you work on making the other 23 hours, 59 minutes, 50 seconds of your life more bearable.

Speaker C: 00:18:19

Musicians do a similar thing where, like, they get paid to. For the travel.

Speaker B: 00:18:22

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:18:23

They do the performance for free.

Speaker B: 00:18:24

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:18:24

It's all about the doing the stuff that you don't want to do. That's where. That's what you. That's what you get paid for.

Speaker B: 00:18:29

Face the demons in your head. Get to therapy. That's. That's what he needs to do. No, Kind of like, oh, for 10 seconds, I'm free.

Speaker A: 00:18:35

Or is that. Is that them? Try to make him into the, you know, the anti hero, good guy of.

Actually, none of this stealing and stuff's anything to do with what I feel. It's all about the race.

Speaker B: 00:18:45

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:18:45

Oh, he's not really a thief. He's just into his racing.

Speaker B: 00:18:48

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:18:48

Not while he's racing, because he can't physically.

Speaker A: 00:18:51

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker B: 00:18:52

So. Yeah. And it's also sweet. Like, the older police are kind of like dads to Paul Walker. Because at one point he's like, all antsy.

He's, oh, can I get a cigarette? And the other guy's like, don't give him a cigarette. He's like, he wants a cigarette. You've quit. Cigarette. Cigarette. And you ain't smoking.

Don't give him a cigarette. Yeah, like, what's this got to do with the script? How is this moving forward? Anything?

I liked it like that element, but it was also quite funny to me.

Speaker A: 00:19:13

I feel like that bit, or just the whole him as the undercover cockpit.

I don't know why, but I kept thinking of Team America, World Police, where we're gonna send you in Gary, and you're gonna be the bestest actor there is. I'm the greatest actor there is that they send him in. I don't know why. It just. Especially when he was undercover. It's like, you're a cop.

No, I'm not a cop. I just kept flashing.

Speaker C: 00:19:35

Don't get me started. I'll start quoting it. We'll have to do that at some point.

Speaker A: 00:19:39

Yeah, like, that's right, Gary, you go and act.

Speaker C: 00:19:41

Stop it.

Speaker A: 00:19:41

The greatest act. Sorry, I'll stop it.

Speaker C: 00:19:43

Anything else, Darren?

Speaker B: 00:19:44

I think in terms of what do we miss? I think that's. Yeah, I think that's everything.

Speaker C: 00:19:46

I noticed how different this is from the first because it's been so long since I've seen this one. I've only seen.

Speaker A: 00:19:51

This is your choice this week, isn't it?

Speaker C: 00:19:52

This is my choice, yeah. And I was with this franchise until 6, 7, 8. I was like, I'm out.

Speaker A: 00:19:58

I'm still with it, I'm still watching.

Speaker C: 00:20:00

Yeah. It's quite a glaring difference between even four or five from this. This is just where all started. It's much more simple.

Speaker A: 00:20:08

Sure.

Speaker C: 00:20:08

And how little emphasis they're on like worldwide World saving aspect of it is very localized internal.

Speaker A: 00:20:15

So it almost rebooted on the original. Second one was Too Fast, Too Furious.

Speaker C: 00:20:20

Tokyo. Then Tokyo Drift.

Speaker A: 00:20:21

Tokyo Drift. And then they did the reboot thing on the next one.

Speaker C: 00:20:24

Is that what that was? That was just fast and furious.

Speaker A: 00:20:26

And furious. And that's when it started move more into the realm of. That's when they got Vin Diesel back and yeah. Rodriguez and all these people.

And then by the time you got to Fast five, I think that's where they threw the rock in the middle. By the time you got to Fast six, it was like a whole other template.

And then Fast seven was the one that made massive money because then it just taken on its own thing. And you had Gal Gadot in there. I think everyone was about in that one, weren't they?

Speaker C: 00:20:50

Yes. Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:20:51

Even the guy from Tokyo Drift turned up at some point, which was good. Lucas Black, I think he's called.

Speaker C: 00:20:56

Oh, yes, yes, that's right.

Speaker A: 00:20:58

At some point again, doesn't he? But no, you're right. The actual structure of the film becomes less about street racing and heists and things and it becomes more about.

Speaker C: 00:21:04

Well, this is though. So the origin of the characters as well.

Speaker A: 00:21:07

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:21:07

Like you don't get as much of that later on.

Speaker B: 00:21:09

Doesn't give that much backstory though. Like it's still a bit.

Speaker C: 00:21:11

Well, compared to the films. It does though. This is. This is the. This franchise version of that.

Speaker B: 00:21:15

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:21:16

It doesn't do much beyond this does.

Speaker B: 00:21:17

Talk about respect a lot, but it's. It's like schoolyard respect.

It's really weird because I think if you want to get respect, you know, go get an education, work, look after your family.

Speaker C: 00:21:27

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:21:28

You don't need a street race. That's not respect. That's like respect from who?

Speaker C: 00:21:32

Other people do the same thing.

Speaker B: 00:21:33

Yeah, that's it. It's like.

Speaker A: 00:21:35

But then you have to go to the meet up and strut around your car with attitude.

Speaker B: 00:21:38

It feels like a bit masturbatory really. It's like a circle jerk, jerk, circle, circle jerk. I don't Know which way?

Speaker C: 00:21:44

Also in this, the family, obviously this became a meme that everything's about family. But this. How often this actually does appear a lot in this movie. Like the whole aspect of it, this is all started. Puts a very simple premise in this.

But obviously it's taking a life of his own outside of this movie.

Speaker B: 00:21:58

It also does that thing like religion is kind of there. I think a lot of them are wearing crosses and psychs, you know, and it feels like that's important to Dom. And he's got his like cross on. It's like.

And then he's like, you're going to get this guy fired because he was chatting to your sister in the cafe that she works at.

Speaker C: 00:22:15

That.

Speaker A: 00:22:15

That escalated quite quickly. I didn't know.

Speaker B: 00:22:17

It's like, where'd you work? Well, not anymore. It's like, what. How fragile are you? What are you doing? Yeah, yeah, that was silly.

Speaker C: 00:22:26

You've got anything, Paul?

Speaker A: 00:22:27

No, I think that's pretty much covered it. Yeah. I said a lot of mine. In the nutshell. I just think it is most of its service.

Speaker C: 00:22:32

I think a lot of it's a stripped back version of any of its predeter. It's not precessors, it's the ones that come after it.

Speaker A: 00:22:38

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:22:38

By a long way.

Speaker B: 00:22:39

And a lot of what we've said I don't think was particularly intentional. I just think. I don't think there's that much depth behind it.

Speaker A: 00:22:47

No, I think it was let's make a movie that the teens are going to love. But this can be trendy or.

Speaker B: 00:22:51

But this is also what I mean. Like if you don't create meaning in your films with intent, the intent will be there or the meaning will be there. People will find the meaning.

Because that's what we do. We're meaning making machines. We're looking for the patterns, we're looking for understanding.

So it kind of shows what happens if you do take your eye off the ball.

Speaker C: 00:23:07

Thank you very much. That takes us nicely into Paul Day's fact of the day. There will be definitely be some for this.

Speaker A: 00:23:14

I can find you some facts.

Speaker C: 00:23:15

Of course you can. That's what you do.

Speaker A: 00:23:17

Yeah, yeah. Neither. Michelle Rodriguez.

Speaker C: 00:23:20

Wow. He said her name correctly, I thought on the first attempt.

Speaker A: 00:23:23

I know.

Speaker C: 00:23:23

With an accent.

Speaker A: 00:23:24

I've been practicing.

Speaker B: 00:23:25

She's a good we. I don't feel like we talk about her enough. She's a good actress.

Speaker A: 00:23:29

She was good.

Speaker C: 00:23:30

She is good.

Speaker A: 00:23:30

She should be more stuff like now.

Speaker C: 00:23:32

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:23:32

Because she was in like a lot of massive films, wasn't she? And she was in Lost for a while and then all of a sudden you just don't see her as much.

Speaker B: 00:23:38

Yeah, I'm hoping it. I'm fairly sure she's lesbian, isn't she? She's gay, I think.

Speaker A: 00:23:42

I don't know.

Speaker C: 00:23:43

I have no idea.

Speaker B: 00:23:43

I've got a feeling she is. And so I really hope that. That if that came out and that hermed her career. I don't know.

Speaker A: 00:23:49

I don't know. Didn't know that. But. Yeah. But her nor Jordana Brewster had a driving license or even learner permits before the production of the film.

Speaker B: 00:23:59

Wow.

Speaker A: 00:23:59

Yeah. Couldn't drive. But they must have learned for the film. I guess you would hope so. Or it's all camera trickery. Who knows?

Paul Walker and Matt Schultz carefully choreographed the fight scene outside the grocery store. But when it came time to shoot, it didn't feel right. In the end. They just improvised, which is interesting.

So let's choreograph this thing and then just make it up on the spot. Anyway, I didn't know this one. Vin Diesel and Michelle Rodriguez. I like doing that. They were dating off screen during the film.

Sorry, off screen during the filming, just as they did on screen.

Speaker B: 00:24:30

I may have been incorrect then. An issues.

Speaker A: 00:24:32

Yeah, well, this is back in the day.

Speaker C: 00:24:34

Unless he made a lesbian.

Speaker B: 00:24:37

I. Yes.

Speaker A: 00:24:38

Do you remember that podcast that went viral when Mark accused Vin Diesel?

Speaker B: 00:24:42

Right. Well, Kevin Smith always. Kevin Smith used to do these kind of like Q A, stand up comedy type things.

You know, the director who did like James Sally Bob and Clerks and Morets and stuff like that. And he always said that there was a lot of people who were gay in Hollywood that they had to keep it quiet because it wasn't okay to be gay.

And he alluded to a really big action star, which I kind of always thought it was Vin Diesel.

Speaker C: 00:25:04

Well, you can imagine a lot of them would have a normal relationship as a mask.

Speaker A: 00:25:07

Well, you. You both better be careful because Vin Diesel accidentally broke a stuntman's nose during this film. Just saying. He can be dangerous.

The filmmakers also asked the owners of the houses in the backgrounds to repaint the houses to more muted colors to show off the colorful cars. That seems a bit excessive.

Speaker C: 00:25:24

We've just been CGI these days.

Speaker A: 00:25:25

Blur them up. Anyway, so over 1,500 cars were at the Race Wars.

Speaker C: 00:25:30

That's a lot of cars.

Speaker A: 00:25:32

And Vin Diesel's character is supposed to be 24. In reality, Diesel was 10 years older than that. Did we think he was 24? In this?

Speaker B: 00:25:38

No, I thought he was 24.

Speaker A: 00:25:39

Okay.

Speaker C: 00:25:40

I thought it was 34.

Speaker B: 00:25:41

He had that vibe. The guy who kind of fails uni and just hangs around all the younger.

Speaker C: 00:25:46

Ones 10 years later.

Speaker A: 00:25:47

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:25:48

He definitely seemed older than all the rest of them.

Speaker B: 00:25:49

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:25:50

No, 20.

Speaker B: 00:25:51

Matthew McConaughey in that movie. Oh, I don't. I don't. Like.

Speaker A: 00:25:54

He's the older boy.

Speaker B: 00:25:55

The older. I. I get older, but the girls, they stay the same or something like that.

Speaker A: 00:26:00

That was like his first on screen appearance.

Speaker B: 00:26:02

It was. He was really nervous person.

Speaker C: 00:26:03

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:26:04

Mark Wahlberg, Christian Bale. We mentioned Christian Bale and Eminem were all considered for the role of Brian o' Connor before Paul Walker.

Speaker B: 00:26:11

I would have loved to see Eminem in this role.

Speaker A: 00:26:14

When did 8 Mile come out? I've been around some of the time. Right. Maybe that was when he was having his acting kick.

Speaker B: 00:26:19

Yeah. Totally could see that.

Speaker A: 00:26:20

Undercover.

Speaker B: 00:26:21

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:26:21

Yeah. Against Vin Diesel. See, I haven't seen eight Miles, so.

Speaker C: 00:26:24

No, I haven't.

Speaker B: 00:26:24

Amal's really good.

Speaker A: 00:26:25

I've got it on my pile to watch. Thrifted it.

Speaker C: 00:26:27

Your pile to watch is ridiculous.

Speaker A: 00:26:29

It is ridiculous. Rob Cohen, the director, as the Pizza Hut delivery man who is blocked by Leon at the first race.

Speaker B: 00:26:36

Did he do Triple X as well?

Speaker A: 00:26:38

He may well have done, yes.

Speaker C: 00:26:40

Because that was Vin Diego, wasn't it?

Speaker A: 00:26:41

Yeah. I think he did a few films along them lines.

Speaker B: 00:26:43

I remember his approach to action was like, when you're playing with cars as a kid, so. So you'd kind of, like, you'd take your car and it would go off of a ramp and you'd be like, like.

But then you would go back at the beginning again and, like, do it again. And he was like, you know, there's a bit, I think, in Triplex where he's on a bike going over a fence.

Speaker A: 00:27:02

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:27:02

And they shoot it. I mean, it's the longest jump ever because they just shot it from, like, 10 different angles and just showed every angle. It was like.

Speaker A: 00:27:10

I remember me and my brother seeing that film. Walking out just went, well, that was ridiculous.

Speaker B: 00:27:15

But I like that.

Speaker C: 00:27:16

Something that people may have missed after going back. How many gears these cars have got.

Speaker B: 00:27:20

A lot. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker C: 00:27:22

Never ending gears to change into or whilst speak, speeding up.

Speaker A: 00:27:25

But then when they've run out of gears, they press the nozzles. So the role of Mia Toretto was originally written for Elijah Dushka. I could see that.

Speaker B: 00:27:33

I can see that as well.

Speaker C: 00:27:34

I have no idea who those.

Speaker B: 00:27:35

Like, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Dollhouse.

Speaker C: 00:27:38

I Think of Buffy the Vampire. I think of the little blonde.

Speaker B: 00:27:41

The little blonde, you mean.

Speaker A: 00:27:44

Yeah, she was also considered, but. Get out of here. I'm done with this podcast. Fair enough.

Speaker B: 00:27:49

He's always on your backs of the day. It's always him, not me.

Speaker A: 00:27:52

How's that?

Speaker C: 00:27:53

In your facts today, you've said someone. I'm on me because I've never heard of someone.

Speaker B: 00:27:57

Yeah. Eliza Dushku. Yeah, she kind of disappeared a bit. She kind of.

Speaker A: 00:28:01

Yeah. After Dollhouse and.

Speaker B: 00:28:02

Yeah, I really like Dollhouse.

Speaker A: 00:28:04

I wish that did such a good show. Sorry, we've gone on a tangent. Other people Considered as well as Sarah Michelle Geller. Mark. That's who played Buffy. Just so you know.

The little plant.

Speaker B: 00:28:14

The Audacity.

Speaker A: 00:28:16

Natalie Portman. But even in: 2001

Speaker C: 00:28:20

Can't see her in this.

Speaker B: 00:28:21

No, I can't see.

Speaker A: 00:28:22

Considered, maybe, but Kirsten Dunst. Jessica Biel.

Speaker B: 00:28:26

Jessica Biel I can see.

Speaker A: 00:28:27

Paul Walker was actually the first actor to be signed on. And Vin Diesel was the one who took a bit more persuasion and they had to change the script several times. So it was more made for him.

Speaker C: 00:28:37

Trust him. Because he ends up becoming, like, the producer. Like, he owns this franchise now, doesn't he?

Speaker A: 00:28:41

Yeah, he's pretty much the head of it all, I think.

Speaker C: 00:28:43

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:28:44

Because when he fell out with the Rock and things, the Rock didn't appear for a few. And then he come back.

Speaker C: 00:28:49

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:28:49

He said he had to give the Rock some acting tips.

Speaker A: 00:28:54

Oh, yeah. We don't know what went on there.

Speaker C: 00:28:56

I think the Rock would be okay with that. He likes to learn. He's a student of the game.

Speaker B: 00:29:00

No, he.

Speaker C: 00:29:03

Doesn't mean it works, but he'll take lessons.

Speaker B: 00:29:05

Not from Vin Diesel.

Speaker A: 00:29:07

That's what I was gonna say. Someone else who was considered for the role of Dominic Toretto was Timothy Oliphant. Who's good actor.

Speaker B: 00:29:15

He's a freaking great.

Speaker C: 00:29:16

Someone else I've never heard of.

Speaker A: 00:29:17

Oh, come on. He's in. I haven't seen it, but Deadwood.

Speaker C: 00:29:20

Nope.

Speaker B: 00:29:21

Yeah, Dead was phenomenal. He's in the Alien TV series.

Speaker C: 00:29:23

Not seen that.

Speaker A: 00:29:24

Die Hard 4.

Speaker C: 00:29:25

Not saying that.

Speaker B: 00:29:26

There's a show called Justified.

Speaker C: 00:29:28

Never heard of it.

Speaker A: 00:29:29

The Girl Next Door.

Speaker C: 00:29:30

It's someone I've never heard of. That's okay.

Speaker A: 00:29:31

Okay.

Speaker C: 00:29:31

And that is fine.

Speaker A: 00:29:32

A couple more. There is quite a lot. There's lots of car facts. I'm kind of.

u're in here. Okay. The green: 1999

The Paul Walker is driving at the start is the same one used in the movie Sex Drive.

There were a few differences made to it, such as the roof scoop, but it sounds like they were sharing lots of things between films back in them days as well. This was originally envisioned. This is the fact I was looking for as a sequel to a film called Point Break.

Speaker B: 00:30:06

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:30:07

Did you know that was.

Speaker B: 00:30:08

No, I didn't. But I can see that somebody watched Point Break and was like, from the.

Speaker C: 00:30:11

Waves to the Road.

Speaker B: 00:30:13

That running scene was. That running chase scene was really good. What would happen if we put them in cars?

Speaker A: 00:30:18

Yeah. Yeah. And thus it was born. Apparently, I didn't stick around to watch this, but apparently there's a bonus extra scene after the rolling credits.

Did any of you stick around for.

Speaker C: 00:30:27

I've seen it before, but I didn't remember what it is.

Speaker B: 00:30:30

What happened?

Speaker A: 00:30:31

Don't know. If you know. Let us know in the comments.

Speaker B: 00:30:34

I may have seen it. I can't remember.

Speaker C: 00:30:35

I think I have seen it, but I can't remember what it is.

Speaker A: 00:30:37

And the film was on the shortlist for the Academy Awards for Best Visual Effects, but it was not nominated. So it's on the shortlist. I didn't know they did that. So they do a short list and then.

Speaker C: 00:30:47

No, they do a long list then a shortlist.

Speaker A: 00:30:49

Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker B: 00:30:50

Well, okay. Those are good facts. Thank you, Paul.

Speaker A: 00:30:52

That's okay. I've got one more. Oh, interesting.

Because Paul Walker, obviously no longer with us, but he stated that he did this film because of the movie Donnie Brasco, which was 97, because he thought the role of an undercover cop was a cool idea and he'd like to do that kind of character.

Speaker B: 00:31:07

Cool.

Speaker C: 00:31:08

Let's go on to hate it or rate it. So it's my choice, so I will go first. I really enjoyed this movie.

Speaker B: 00:31:15

I thought you would.

Speaker C: 00:31:15

I didn't think I was going to because I think my overview of this franchise has been blurred by the most recent ones. But stripping it all back and going to this, I really enjoyed it. I like the characters. I like the chemistry. I like cars.

I'm not into cars, but I like car racing. I liked how it was shot. Like cinematography. I mean, it is a basic movie. There's not a lot to it. Like you said, there wasn't much in the. In the.

What did we miss? But I Just really enjoyed it. I just forgot. I just forgot how simple. It's how it started and it. It works for me. What am I going to give it?

Actually, my favorite scene is, which I'd forgotten about, when he's forced to break cover, when someone. He needs to call in front of Vin, because he's had one point before when he didn't do it.

Speaker A: 00:31:52

You're a cop.

Speaker C: 00:31:53

And he knows that if I do, this shit's going to go down and he has to break character. I quite. I quite enjoyed that scene. I thought it was quite a powerful scene.

Speaker B: 00:32:00

And it also showed that Vin had grown because he could hold his emotions together because otherwise his friend was going to die.

Speaker C: 00:32:06

Yes. I won't forget this.

Speaker B: 00:32:08

Paul Walker's character didn't do that because they get. The. One of them gets shot by the guys on the motorbike, doesn't he? And he's immediate response is like, I'm gonna run him down.

Not like, oh, I'm a cop. I've seen them with my own eyes do it. I know their names and where they live. But I'm gonna leave this guy bleeding and I'm gonna chase him.

Speaker A: 00:32:26

Of course.

Speaker C: 00:32:27

So later on, he's learned as well.

Speaker B: 00:32:28

Yeah, they're basically being. Paul's been a good influence on Vin Diesel. And then Vin Diesel has warped. They've switched bases, basically.

Speaker C: 00:32:36

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:32:36

I like that.

Speaker B: 00:32:37

Walker can no longer control his emotions.

Speaker C: 00:32:39

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:32:40

This one's his tuna sandwich.

Speaker B: 00:32:41

Damn it. What's the guy with his name?

Speaker A: 00:32:43

Which one?

Speaker B: 00:32:43

Paul Walker's character. I keep saying Paul Walker. Brian. Brian or something.

Speaker A: 00:32:48

Brian, yeah.

Speaker B: 00:32:49

You can't name a guy you couldn't have named. Was family guy a thing, then?

Speaker A: 00:32:53

No, Maybe just.

Speaker C: 00:32:55

I don't think so.

Speaker B: 00:32:56

You can't be naming characters Brian anymore. He should have changed his name in the second one. Say Meg in the kitchen. Meg. You can't.

Speaker C: 00:33:07

Yeah, but behind. Behind all the cars and the bravado. I actually like the backstory or the story of how it all started. I really enjoyed it. I never realized.

Never thought there was. There was a point in the end. Never picked up on this, where he says, there's no way you get. Where'd you get this money from?

Where you buy these cars from? How do you do this? I never realized that, like, the Race wars was where he sends all these races and that's where they make the money. I never.

I was thinking, yeah, where does he. That makes him seem shady, but actually, I mean, it's all illegal anyway. But that's where he Makes his money.

Speaker B: 00:33:34

Two grand a week. Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:33:35

I was like, oh, yeah. And just come back. Completely passed me by. But anyway, I'm gonna give this a solid seven over to you, Paul.

Speaker A: 00:33:43

Okay. Is it more flesh over actual substance? Absolutely. Did I enjoy it? Yeah, like. Like, oh, she's pretty. Oh, that cat's fast. Yeah, it just hit the.

The teen spot for me where I was transported back. Maybe it doesn't quite get me the way it did when I first watched them.

Maybe when it's kind of targeted more towards, like, oh, my God, he's an undercover cop. Because now you know that. And.

Speaker C: 00:34:08

eah, I mean, I was. When it's: 2001

Speaker A: 00:34:12

So it feels like. How do I describe. It's like when I watch the Transformers films, are they cinema? Are they pure cinema? No. Do I enjoy them?

Speaker B: 00:34:21

Bumblebee is.

Speaker A: 00:34:22

Bumblebee is a very good film.

Speaker C: 00:34:24

I need to see that.

Speaker A: 00:34:24

I'll give you that. But, yeah, so I enjoyed it. There were elements where I did think, we're in Team America world, please.

Speaker C: 00:34:30

Then you realize how long ago this movie was.

Speaker A: 00:34:32

Yeah, well, just.

Speaker C: 00:34:33

Yeah, same.

Speaker A: 00:34:34

Just some of the setups of it, I guess, when you've been watching. See, it's funny at the moment because we're watching all these different kind of films, aren't we?

So we're jumping from the Godfather to Masters of the Universe, and we're kind of really mixing it up. Normally, I would probably just go through phases of watching a lot of the same things so you don't notice them stand out as much.

So if I was just watching Transformers.

Speaker C: 00:34:55

He type film, then you'd go something slightly different. Yeah, similar.

Speaker A: 00:34:58

And then I went into this, it wouldn't stand out so much.

Speaker C: 00:35:00

We're going from opposites here.

Speaker A: 00:35:01

Yeah. So all of a sudden, it's like, don't talk to him like that. It's like, yeah, it's not the Godfather at this point.

Speaker C: 00:35:08

Dialogue's a little different.

Speaker A: 00:35:09

But I'm enjoying it still. So that's why I said, popcorn movie. Where am I gonna put it? I'll give it. Oh, this is the. The one thing I was gonna say as well. The.

The bit that everyone says, like, oh, when they get stupid later on. Yeah, I kind of enjoy it when they get stupid later on.

Speaker C: 00:35:23

That's fine.

Speaker A: 00:35:23

And I almost think that when I was watching this, I was sitting down.

Speaker C: 00:35:26

A bit lacking in this for you.

Speaker A: 00:35:27

Well, I was watching it thinking, like, yeah, this is the serious one, isn't it? And I'm watching Going. It's not that serious, though.

Speaker C: 00:35:33

No, no. It's just when you compare it to the later ones, it is.

Speaker A: 00:35:35

It's still quite light and fluffy and, you know, it's always hanging off the truck and all that sort of stuff. I'll give it a six point. I'll give a six.

Speaker C: 00:35:44

Six.

Speaker A: 00:35:44

Okay. It's enjoyable popcorn movie of its time. And, yeah, I know what's coming over.

Speaker C: 00:35:52

To you, Mr. Horn.

Speaker B: 00:35:53

This is dumb. I think that if ever.

I mean, a retirement home, like an old people's home, I would imagine that the drugs they give you to keep you sedated feel like this movie. And there's bits that I just recognize that there's a bit where in the opening robbery, the car goes under like an 18 wheeler.

Speaker A: 00:36:12

That's cool.

Speaker B: 00:36:13

But that's smoking the Bandit.

Speaker A: 00:36:14

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:36:16

It's been done before with the Trans Am. And I think it struggles because it opens with a robbery. That's kind of cool. Then it ends with a robbery. And you say, we've seen this.

Speaker A: 00:36:25

I made that note. Like, where's the robbery bit gone? Yeah, it doesn't really come back to the end.

Speaker B: 00:36:30

Where's. Where's the escalation? Like, you don't want to start with a great fight scene if the end fight scene isn't even bigger.

You know, great war movie where Matt Damon does that. Starts amazing fight scene at the beginning, and then it goes nowhere because you can't. So I struggle with that.

I struggle with the fact there's no story until about 35 minutes in. It's 35 minutes, and you realize he's an undercover cop.

Until then, I'm just hanging out with people I don't like, and I don't really know much about them, and I'm not that. Yeah, they're not great. And then it also has this weird ability to make driving seem not fun.

It's like when I see, like, young people kind of getting stoned in, like, the street. They do it a lot around, like, where I work. And. And. But they all look really serious and grumpy.

Speaker A: 00:37:09

Stone does. Oh, yeah, yeah. When he first said stone, I was imagining Life of Brian, like, throwing stones. Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:37:15

No, but I'm just all the time around where he works.

Speaker B: 00:37:18

I'm like, why are you guys doing that? That does not look fun. You look cold and you look grumpy and you don't look. No one's laughing.

Or like, the illusion that the American comedies have sold me about cannabis don't appear to be true.

Speaker A: 00:37:31

That's not James Silent Bob.

Speaker B: 00:37:32

Right. That's not Seth Rogen. What's going on here? That's not Cheech and Chong. The reality is very different from what I can see.

So, yeah, they don't seem to make the driving seem fun. Whereas the bandit. And smoking a bandit. Burt Reynolds. It's like, I'm going fast now, and I love it. You know, it's even, I think, gone in 60 seconds.

They make it seem fun. They love the cars. It almost doesn't. Like, these guys are impressed by cars, but it doesn't feel like. And they're impressed by the money spent.

Speaker C: 00:38:00

On cars, but they don't respect the cars.

Speaker B: 00:38:02

Yeah. And like, they, they just laugh and they get trashed.

Speaker C: 00:38:06

It's just.

Speaker B: 00:38:06

Oh, yeah. You know, Trashed it.

Speaker C: 00:38:07

And they'll just get along.

Speaker A: 00:38:09

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:38:09

It kind of. It's weird. Yeah, exactly.

And then this whole thing when they panic so quickly, like the police, like, oh, one day these truckers are going to be armed. I'm like, we're in America. And they thought they'd be armed already, and they were.

Speaker C: 00:38:21

Well, that was the escalation in that last one, because that guy had a shotgun. Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:38:24

And these guys have no clue how to deal with it. Oh, my God, he's got a gun again. You're in America. Doesn't everyone have a gun?

I thought that was part of being like, when you picked up hitchhikers, you had a little shotgun that you just checked on you.

Speaker C: 00:38:38

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:38:40

Shop owners, American listeners can confirm or deny this.

Speaker B: 00:38:43

Yeah. What the hell? So the fact that their whole plan fell to pieces. And also, why was it that complicated a plan?

Why are you throwing harpoons through the windscreen? Why aren't you just.

Speaker C: 00:38:52

There wasn't very much element surprise there, was there?

Speaker B: 00:38:54

Just get one of the hot girls to break down in the middle of the road and when it stops, steal the stuff.

Speaker C: 00:39:01

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:39:02

Or have a tree fall over the road or. What are you doing?

Speaker A: 00:39:06

That's brilliant.

Speaker B: 00:39:07

Over complicating robbery, basically.

Speaker A: 00:39:09

Look at this car chase.

Speaker C: 00:39:11

You know what's safer and easier than a high speed heist? A slow speed heist. Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:39:16

Steal the keys when it goes to the garage and gets fuel or whatever.

Speaker A: 00:39:21

I think you're right, though. If any of the girls would have stopped and did the whole. All my cars broke down, they could have robbed that thing.

It could have been a very quick thing.

Speaker B: 00:39:28

And then there's dumb bits like when he comes to the rescue at the end and he's with the sister, and then he, he, he jumps up and he's like, take the wheel. And she's like, what do you mean, take the wheel? What do you think you drive cars for a living? What do you think he means? Take the wheel.

What do you think he's going to do right now?

Speaker A: 00:39:46

I don't think she drives cars for a living, though, does she?

Speaker B: 00:39:48

Well, she's around people who drive cars.

Speaker C: 00:39:50

I'm thinking she can't drive.

Speaker A: 00:39:52

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:39:52

And then there's this bit where it's supposed to be serious. I know it's supposed to be character development, but I giggled so much when Vin Diesel says the line, I watched my dad burn to death.

Speaker A: 00:40:05

Did it take you back to the Phoebe Cates?

Speaker B: 00:40:08

Literally Gremlins. How have they made that funny? It's the Gremlin Santa Story.

Speaker A: 00:40:15

Oh, no.

Speaker B: 00:40:16

What are you doing? So, yeah, it's a ludicrous mess and I had a ball watching it. So, yeah, have some beers, don't go in expecting much.

Laugh at it as much as you laugh with it. And I'll give it a six. Nice cool.

Speaker C: 00:40:31

19 Banger. It's not often we have ones that don't have a point. Something. That's the first time all of us have given it a solid score.

Speaker B: 00:40:37

I was going to do 5.9, but then I was like, Paul's gonna be so happy if I join him in his school.

Speaker C: 00:40:41

u know, you do like, oh, it's: 2007

Oh, yeah. 8.7.

Speaker A: 00:40:49

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:40:49

So you're like,: 2001

Speaker A: 00:40:52

Don't give him ideas.

Speaker C: 00:40:53

You know, it'll just in there.

Speaker B: 00:40:56

It is what it is. It's not trying to be anything different. You can't. Don't go to an ice cream shop and then get annoyed that they're selling ice cream, you know?

Speaker A: 00:41:02

Yeah. Well, that's why I like these films and everyone's, oh, they get dumber every time. I'm like, I know, but that's what I'm going to watch now.

If you want to launch a car in space, that's why I'm buying the ticket. I want to see how dumb they're gonna get with it.

Speaker B: 00:41:12

I like the 18 movie when they're kind of steering a tank in the sky.

Speaker A: 00:41:16

I love that film.

Speaker C: 00:41:17

Right. So that gives it 19 bang on, which puts it in 42 out of 81. So it's in the middle. I tell a lie.

We have given another movie 19 Bang on which was A Man for All Seasons. Tied for that.

Speaker A: 00:41:31

That's an interesting dynamic.

Speaker B: 00:41:33

Yeah, that's a good double bill.

Speaker C: 00:41:35

n your mystery and Spider Man: 2002

Speaker B: 00:41:42

Do you see I got hate on letterbox over my Spider man review?

Speaker A: 00:41:46

No.

Speaker C: 00:41:47

Yeah. I didn't even know you were on. On it as yourself.

Speaker B: 00:41:49

Yeah, I know. I'm on it as me was in a nutshell. A guy was like. I think it just says, damn, what the hell? Or something like that.

Speaker C: 00:41:56

Because I don't really.

Speaker A: 00:41:57

And so he should.

Speaker C: 00:41:58

All I'm using it for is an ad. Is like a funnel. Take it to. I gave you, like a brief opinion, a brief thing of what we talk about and what topics.

Speaker B: 00:42:04

You also give our points. Yeah, yeah, they. They disagreed with my points.

Speaker C: 00:42:08

Good. That's if.

Speaker A: 00:42:09

Darren, what the hell?

Speaker B: 00:42:10

I think it was something like that.

Speaker C: 00:42:11

That's what we thought. We'd love to know what you think. And that is where it lands on the Legend League.

What other what of our back catalog do you think would be a good follow up for this? Probably Bad Boys.

Speaker A: 00:42:19

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:42:19

Yeah, Without a doubt.

Speaker C: 00:42:21

Anything around that time. Anything similar. That's what I could think of. I have a Legend League in front of me. I could look right now.

Speaker A: 00:42:27

Oh, Conair maybe.

Speaker B: 00:42:28

Yeah, yeah. Running man to a certain extent.

Speaker C: 00:42:31

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:42:31

Predator.

Speaker A: 00:42:32

Even Top Gun. Yeah, well, he's like part of the family of the Navy.

Speaker B: 00:42:36

We should do Maverick at some point.

Speaker A: 00:42:38

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker C: 00:42:38

Yes, we should. Okay, there we go. So go and check those episodes out in our back catalog. Let's move on to part three, the Listener Lounge.

When we did our listener choice, Zodiac, we actually had two people who voted for it, not just one.

Speaker A: 00:42:54

Oh, okay.

Speaker C: 00:42:55

Because Rob Walker was first, which is why it ended up being his choice. But so did our new follower, Ben Smith. He. Oh, but he. That was his second choice. He chose something else.

But then he straight afterwards said, oh, no, I'm gonna change it to this. But we missed that.

Speaker A: 00:43:07

Oh, okay.

Speaker C: 00:43:08

But we missed that because it was in a chain of other messages. So we took his first answer. Technically, two people chose it, by the way. Just. Just clarify that just in case Ben's listening. Why?

He was like, I thought I chose that.

Speaker A: 00:43:19

Now he knows.

Speaker C: 00:43:20

Now he knows. Okay, so into the lobby, we have an email. Hi, guys. I just wanted to drop your cook email to say I'm.

I'm still listening every single week and thoroughly enjoying the podcast. Your recent Discussion about the greatest toys to come from movies really struck a chord with me. Reminded me of my own Buzz Lightyear story.

Back in: 1999

I'd always said I'd never had a Buzz Lightyear growing up, so receiving one at this point in my life meant far more to me than getting a toy. 27 Years later, I still have that exact Buzz Lightyear in pristine condition, still sealed in the original box.

To many people, it's a collectible, but to me, it's priceless because of the memories and the emotions attached to it. Every time I see it, it reminds me of the kindness shown to me during a difficult time. Keep up the fantastic work, guys.

The podcast is always one of my highlights of every week and I look forward to every episode. All the best. And that is from. And Pete. Pete Pimberton.

Speaker A: 00:44:08

I thought it might be. Yeah, I thought it might be original. Original one. Original 99.

Speaker C: 00:44:13

Yeah. I had loads, but I've never, never kept them. Probably should have, but you didn't know that was a thing at the time.

But adults, adults buy them now to keep them like that. But children don't.

Speaker A: 00:44:22

No. Well, I had all the Ghostbusters.

Well, not all of them, but I had some of the Ghostbusters toys and Thundercat toys and some of these things that now become full circle retro. And I think as we used to do as kids, we'd play with them and they'd break.

Well, not mine, because I keep them in good condition, but I think they were out of the boxes. You play with them. But then I think I sold them to, like, other kids to make money to buy me something else.

Speaker C: 00:44:45

Something else.

Speaker A: 00:44:46

Whatever the latest thing was. So they kind of got past a bit like in the Toy Story films where he passes his toys on to the next generation. It's a bit more like that.

Not in another 15 to 20 years. These are all going to be collectible sort of things. Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?

Speaker C: 00:45:00

There we go. Okay, on to this week's question of the week again. This has happened twice in a row. Three times in a row.

Now I'm just about to put it on socials asking for our question of the week and someone emails it in. Emails one in. Oh, cool. We'll take that. This email begins. Hi, guys, long time listener, first time caller. Hey, that's also.

Speaker B: 00:45:16

I said it's not. People say that obviously, but that's also a quote in gross point blank, which is a call movie which I keep.

Speaker A: 00:45:23

Looking for it on streaming. It's never there to see.

Speaker C: 00:45:25

Now it says hi guys, guys, long time listen to first time caller. You mentioned before that the question of the week doesn't have to be movie related.

So I thought I'd ask a question which came up in a conversation at my work the other day. What advice would you give to someone who was just about to go through the whole COVID pandemic experience?

Curious to get your take on this and some from our listeners. Huge fan of the show. Your accents are hilarious. That's from Kane Bradbury in Arkansas.

Speaker B: 00:45:45

Hilarious.

Speaker A: 00:45:46

What the. I'll take it.

Speaker C: 00:45:48

I'll take it.

Oh man, it'll be weird if someone, like someone's about to go through it and you've, you can, you know, everything you know now I would say say enjoy it if you can enjoy it. The weather's nice. If you're not, if you're not directly affected by it, just you can't do anything else. It's gonna last a long time.

It's gonna last longer than you think.

Speaker B: 00:46:04

Yeah, I think you need to build in self care habits for sure. Yeah, I think you need.

Speaker C: 00:46:09

Because it was an easy time for people to fall off a cliff.

Speaker B: 00:46:12

Oh, easy. No structure, Nothing to do and check on your friends.

Speaker A: 00:46:16

Yes, I, I worked through it so it was probably a different experience for me. I'd look outside at the glorious weather with, with people playing in the sun.

Socially distant, but playing in the sun and being like, I've got a lot of emails to get through but it was important work at the time, so I don't diminish that. But yeah, it's. It was just a strange time. It's almost bracing yourself for a very strange existence. Almost.

Speaker C: 00:46:40

now, you could almost delete: 2020

Speaker A: 00:46:44

Yeah, it was an emotional time and.

Speaker B: 00:46:47

We're still seeing the damage. I mean there's lots of reasons for it, but there's lots of discussion that sort of like 16 year olds are now the equivalent of 14 year olds.

Speaker C: 00:46:54

Y. There were certain people really affected. It happened at the wrong time for them.

Speaker B: 00:46:57

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:46:58

But other people like were like stressing over it when really they could just, just stop. Some people needed a break. Some other side of. Some people needed to stop.

Speaker B: 00:47:05

If I lived where I live now and it happened, I'd be in freaking paradise. My landlord. It was like we didn't really notice Covid because we had to have shopping delivered and we still got the grounds to walk on and stuff.

So it. But if you're in a freaking towel block flat and you know there's a lot of you living together, that's. That's. That's a prison.

That's probably worse than a prison.

Speaker C: 00:47:24

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:47:24

You know, it's horrendous. And use the time like try and have varied habits. Like if you just sit and just play computer games all day, that's going to be damaging.

Speaker C: 00:47:32

Yeah.

Speaker B: 00:47:33

So, you know, read a book, listen to a podcast, get out while you.

Speaker C: 00:47:36

Can because the weather's going to be fantastic.

Speaker B: 00:47:38

Do online courses or something.

Speaker C: 00:47:40

Yeah, I read it. When you must gcse.

Speaker B: 00:47:43

Nice.

Speaker A: 00:47:43

Is there any podcast you'd recommend?

Speaker B: 00:47:45

Yeah, there's this really cool movie one and the guys got these hilarious accents.

Speaker A: 00:47:48

The guys with the hilarious accent?

Speaker B: 00:47:50

Yeah.

Speaker C: 00:47:50

Yes.

Speaker A: 00:47:51

Oh, those English guys are hilarious.

Speaker C: 00:47:53

Start episode one. Back to the future. On you go. There we go. Interesting question. Thanks for that, Kane. So that is this week's question.

What advice would you give to someone who's just about to go through Covid? If you'd like your question, read out on the show, send them in and we'll pick the best one out. Okay.

That takes us on to next week's movie, which is Mr. Darren Horn.

Speaker B: 00:48:13

Yeah, I struggled with this because I felt like we've had a lot of boy movies and I was looking for a girl movie and then it's actually really hard to find a movie with just a female, even a female lead. It's hard. It's very kind of genre specific. And then I didn't want to choose one from the same year and then I did, so.

So instead of being American, I've gone with British.

Speaker A: 00:48:34

I.

Speaker B: 00:48:35

ordan film and it was made in: 2002

It's a horror movie. Well, horror comedy in the vein of like kind of a werewolf version of Shaun of the Dead.

Speaker C: 00:49:02

I have never heard of this.

Speaker A: 00:49:03

I heard of it. I haven't seen it.

Speaker B: 00:49:05

Surprised you didn't get sequels, really.

Speaker A: 00:49:06

It's very much like a Britishy. Is anyone in it? We know. I feel like I have heard of this film.

Speaker B: 00:49:11

You would. Most people wouldn't Sean Pertwee.

Speaker A: 00:49:13

Yes, Sean Pertwee.

Speaker B: 00:49:15

Bell brings Bell and Liam Cunningham.

Speaker A: 00:49:19

Game of Thrones.

Speaker B: 00:49:19

Yeah.

Speaker A: 00:49:20

Yes. Okay.

Speaker C: 00:49:21

Next week's movie is Dog Soldiers. Okay, thanks for listening, guys. If you want to help us, please just make sure you're subscribing.

We get a lot of people who tells us that they're listening, but they're not subscribing. Hit the subscribe button. Hit the follow button. Make sure you do it.

Speaker A: 00:49:34

Have we got more than 10 now?

Speaker C: 00:49:35

Yes, we have 12.

Speaker A: 00:49:36

Yay, we made it.

Speaker C: 00:49:38

But yeah, seriously, though, if you. If you're listening and you are still here, here, help us by hitting that follow or the subscribe button, please. That'll greatly help us.

Thank you very much. This episode is officially over. This is Mark. Say goodbye.

Speaker B: 00:49:48

Down. Saying goodbye for now.

Speaker A: 00:49:51

No one likes the tuna here.

Speaker B: 00:49:53

That was Sylvester Stallone, right?

Speaker C: 00:49:55

That's one of the most pointed lines in the whole movie.